tomiseksj
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What I collect: Worldwide stamps/covers, Cinderellas, Ohio Prepaid Sales Tax Receipts, U.S. WWII Ration ephemera
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Post by tomiseksj on Nov 2, 2016 13:11:47 GMT
This 10 shilling ultra stamp featuring St. George slaying the dragon (Scott 288; May 3, 1951) appears to have been postmarked Belfast (19) on 9 October 1953.  |
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tomiseksj
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Woodbridge, Virginia, USA
Posts: 6,385
What I collect: Worldwide stamps/covers, Cinderellas, Ohio Prepaid Sales Tax Receipts, U.S. WWII Ration ephemera
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Post by tomiseksj on Jan 8, 2017 15:34:15 GMT
Great Britain Scott 128 (1p scarlet KEVII; 1902) postmarked January 6, 1905 on the Night Down run of the NORTH WEST T.P.O. |
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Post by smauggie on Sept 18, 2017 19:06:11 GMT
Chapeltown Rd. B.O., Leeds
Meanwood Rd., Leeds
Registered, Leeds
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Post by butterfly on Jan 8, 2018 1:54:58 GMT
Not sure where to go to ask about postmarks, so I picked this thread. Let me know if this needs to be moved. This postmark I find puzzling. Is this type common? SW14 I presume to be a London postcode, but why not use a CDS or some such postmark instead of this little triangle cancel?  |
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Beryllium Guy
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What I collect: Worldwide Stamps 1840-1930
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jan 8, 2018 4:38:51 GMT
Not sure where to go to ask about postmarks, so I picked this thread. Let me know if this needs to be moved. This postmark I find puzzling. Is this type common? SW14 I presume to be a London postcode, but why not use a CDS or some such postmark instead of this little triangle cancel? Good question, Andrew! While I am not able to answer it myself, I will tag two other members: Londonbus1 and Anping who are quite knowledgeable about Great Britain in this response, and hopefully, one of them will be able to respond. |
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tomiseksj
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Woodbridge, Virginia, USA
Posts: 6,385
What I collect: Worldwide stamps/covers, Cinderellas, Ohio Prepaid Sales Tax Receipts, U.S. WWII Ration ephemera
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Post by tomiseksj on Jan 8, 2018 13:34:04 GMT
...This postmark I find puzzling. Is this type common? SW14 I presume to be a London postcode, but why not use a CDS or some such postmark instead of this little triangle cancel? The Philatelic Web's Postmark Database page on GB slogan postmarks provides some information -- scroll down to the section on triangular dies. The site is run by tallanent but he hasn't logged in here for more than a year so he likely won't see your post. If you contact him directly he may be able to provide more information on your specific postmark. |
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Post by butterfly on Jan 8, 2018 13:57:05 GMT
Imagine that! 21 pages here on GB postmarks! Fantastic!
Thanks for finding this thread and pointing me to the "GB slogan postmarks" site.
Copied from that site: "When circulars that were printed in imitation type written characters are sent through the post at the printed paper rate, the stamps should be cancelled by a triangular die."
which answers my question perfectly.
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Anping
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What I collect: Hong Kong, Aden & States & odd stuff I like.
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Post by Anping on Jan 8, 2018 18:24:45 GMT
Copied from that site: "When circulars that were printed in imitation type written characters are sent through the post at the printed paper rate, the stamps should be cancelled by a triangular die." I'm afraid I don't understand this statement. What are imitation type written characters? |
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Post by butterfly on Jan 9, 2018 1:49:28 GMT
The stamp and paper I showed had what I presumed to be typed letters to the left of the stamp. {nizzo,}
But after seeing that the site called out "imitation", I looked more carefully. The letters all seemed to be equally dark with the upper portions darker than the lower parts, leading me to suspect that the letters were instead produced by a printing process of some sort.
It would sure be nice to see a complete cover and learn more about the types of materials being posted.
Maybe a printing process was needed to qualify for the printed paper rate?
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Anping
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Post by Anping on Jan 10, 2018 3:05:55 GMT
Those letters 'NIZZO' look to me like part of a typewriter applied address on a label. I can't imagine the need for any address label being produced by any other printing process. But I think you're right; a complete cover might give better indication.
I must admit though, that I am just befuddled by the explanation provided by that site. I seem to be encountering more and more ambiguous writing just lately, the more I look online.
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Post by tallanent on Apr 7, 2018 18:21:19 GMT
The printed paper rate was just what it said .... PRINTED .... and these were cancelled by hand, often with a specific hand-stamp as in this case
In later years printed matter was not always produced by a printing press, but in more and more cases by typewriter, hence the term used by the Post Office - imitation type written characters
The triangular marks in later years - late King George VI and into the reign of Queen Elizabeth were often used at head office to also cancel mail that may have missed the postmark on the machine or was of a size / shape where it would not go through the machine but naturally had to be cancelled
Hope this helps ... Allan
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Post by tallanent on Apr 7, 2018 18:58:49 GMT
Everything to this stage on the thread has been added or updated in the database
The database now has over 18260 British postmark entries with well over 86 percent of these illustrated ....
Work still continues on this project with many more still waiting to be added as time allows ....
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Post by tallanent on Apr 7, 2018 22:16:50 GMT
[Moderator edit - image link is broken and irretrievable] The latest addition to the database ... Dates and codes updated for the Hull duplex In addition the Norway by steamer mark added which was applied at Hull Now over 18,280 listed ...
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Post by tallanent on Apr 23, 2018 11:41:49 GMT
There are now over 18,300 British Postmarks listed in the database after some additions made this morning ...
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salentin
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collecting Germany,where I live and about 20 more countries,half of them in Asia east of the Indus
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Post by salentin on Apr 23, 2018 13:03:07 GMT
Uruguay 1840 Brunswick Star on a coin, on a stamp.  Germany 54 ray Brunswick star on a 9 Kreuzer (Owner Gerhard) 320 over A = Tain, Scotland. Evidently the cover arrived in Scotland sans cancel, and went through the Parallel motion canceller.  |
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Post by tallanent on Apr 23, 2018 13:40:45 GMT
I looked at this many moons ago .... (circa 2007)
Not British but German
I have never seen a British version with this number format in the centre and can find no evidence of it being used on a train - TPO
I would be happy to be proved wrong with some supporting evidence ...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 15:10:23 GMT
There were several varieties of the Brunswick star used.
Not sure if a 54 ray is one of the varieties, there are 48, 32 & 24 with variations
The 9 Kreuser would appear to be the proper period overseas rate
The 320# does apply to Tain , the A seems unusual
Needs more review
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Post by tallanent on Apr 23, 2018 15:39:27 GMT
There were several varieties of the Brunswick star used. Not sure if a 54 ray is one of the varieties, there are 48, 32 & 24 with variations The 9 Kreuser would appear to be the proper period overseas rate The 320# does apply to Tain , the A seems unusual Needs more review Anyone interested I have a few old pdfs on GB postmarks - PM me So do you think this is a British TPO mark ? If so - if you can provide some evidence I will gladly add it to the database Allan |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 17:14:39 GMT
I should have added this --
Given how well it is centered, the star or the A that does not match other types and no cover, I would put it in the BOGUS pile for now and not waste time on it until an opinion from the BPA or GBPA is available.
Plus that same stamp has been discussed at length on other forums with no results other than conjectures and theories, the only thing for sure is that the time period and overseas use of the 9 Kreuser is correct.
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Post by tallanent on Apr 23, 2018 17:28:11 GMT
Does anyone have a date of issue for the stamp .... that would help somewhat ...
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Post by khj on Apr 23, 2018 17:33:54 GMT
Does anyone have a date of issue for the stamp .... that would help somewhat ... If you are referring to the Germany 9kr stamp: 1Jan1874. |
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Post by tallanent on Apr 23, 2018 17:45:26 GMT
I really should get into the habit of checking my own records ... rather than rely on my somewhat failing memory ... [Moderator edit - image link is broken and irretrievable] This is the entry and details from the database ... it was there all along ... Allan |
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Post by tallanent on Apr 24, 2018 0:08:39 GMT
There are now over 18,300 British Postmarks listed in the database after some additions made this morning ... Now up to 18,320 and in addition a number of updates have been made to existing entries in the way of dates, code letters etc .... A couple of items with missing pictures also filled .... I have been asked in the past and again this week why I do not charge for all this information and the answer is as follows ... 1 ... Although this is a large reference with a high percentage illustrated, I believe it is only just starting to get a good coverage of the British marks. Once I get to 20,000 I think I will have made a good start on this topic ... 2 ... A project of this size has had a lot of input from a great many collectors. These people have offered scans etc free for use and thus it only seems fair that all the information is offered back in the same way 3 ... I can't be bothered to write the pages that would allow payment, period paid etc etc .... So the database will as long as I have it, remain free to use for everyone who wishes to check things out .... My thanks to everyone who has helped with this project .... and I will try and crack on with some more entries if I get time tomorrow ( 1am here - so time to sleep) Allan |
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Post by tallanent on Apr 24, 2018 22:22:11 GMT
More additions made - now over 18,330 marks listed - again some more gaps have been filled and a few updates made ... Getting very close to having 87 percent illustrated which is the next target that I am working towards [Moderator edit - image links are broken and irretrievable]   The three latest additions shown above ... |
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Post by tallanent on Apr 25, 2018 13:46:33 GMT
Now 18,350 British marks listed and getting closer to having 87 percent illustrated ....
A short break and then hopefully some more can be done on this project ...
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Post by tallanent on Apr 25, 2018 15:49:54 GMT
I have added the forum banner at the top of the main database page with a link to this site
I trust this is acceptable to the admin team ....
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Post by tallanent on Apr 25, 2018 20:52:26 GMT
Now over 18,360 items listed ... Latest additions are a modern inkjet ... Glasgow [Moderator edit - image links are broken and irretrievable] and another variation of the numeral 1 in diamond of the London Inland Office  Does not look like I will have much free time tomorrow ... but will get more listed up ASAP Allan |
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Post by Bas S Warwick on Apr 25, 2018 21:40:12 GMT
Allan Any of these of interest (from my small collection of ancient covers)/ Origin: DREM, Aberlady, Lothian, Scotland, UNITED KINGDOM Destination: Amélie-les-Bains, FRANCE Mourning Cover. Addressed to Capt H W Hope (Herbert Hope). Vertically written C.G.H 5 Jan 1880 - refers to Caroline G Hope. Postmark Drem359 Jan 5 1880. Stamp GB QV 1873-80 SG#141 2.5d Rosy Mauve - Plate 13. Envelope Maker W & J Milne, Princess St, Ednburgh Sent from Luffness Castle, sometimes known as Luffness House or Aberlady Castle. a castle of 13th century origin in Luffness, in East Lothian, Scotland. The castle is historically part of the entail of the Earls of Hopetoun. It is believed that the original castle was a significant fortress, founded by the Gospatrick Earls of Dunbar and March. Its position allowed it to protect landings in Aberlady Bay, and Haddington, which lies a few miles inland. On the death of the crusading eighth earl, the property was presented to the church, so that a Carmelite friary was founded in the ground in 1293. Hope Family Luffness www.scc-online.org/ph05nov.pdf Caroline G Hope Herbert Hope www.scottishfamilyheritage.co.uk/list_hopesofluffness.shtm canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/en/site/55029/details/luffness+house/ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luffness_Castle en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Hope,_1st_Earl_of_Hopetoun en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Hope-Weir en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hope,_4th_Earl_of_Hopetoun   Origin: Campbeltown, Scotland, UNITED KINGDOM Destination: Dunedin, Otago, NEW ZEALAND Via Panama. Entire from Campbeltown65 barred cancel Dec 30 1867. Transit Greenock, Scotland Dec 30 1867. Red FD London transit Dec 31. -Arrival PM Dunedin OTA New Zealand Feb ? Green Island PM MAR 2 . In 1865 the Panama & New Zealand Royal Mail Steam Company contracted with the New Zealand government to operate a subsidised mail service via Panama. Mail via this route arrived in London 4 to 6 days faster than the via Suez mails, but cost the same: 6d per half-ounce (to 1oz, then 2/- for each additional ounce). This caused the via Panama route to attract the vast majority of mail until late-1868 when the company failed. Stevens & Bartholomew's "New Zealand Directory" (1866-67) promoted the "splendid new fast steamships" Mataura, Kaikoura, Ruahine & Rakaia.  Origin: Wells, Somerset, UNITED KINGDOM Destination: Glastonbury, Somerset, UNITED KINGDOM FLS. From Edward Parfitt to James John Rocke, Solicitor or Glastonbury. Rocke was Lord of the Manor and in 1860 Mayor of Glastonbury. Postage Stamp - 1855 Large Crown / Blue Plate 5 - Lettered RE - Perf 14 - Oval Postmark 864 (Wells). Back stamped - Wells Somerset Aug 16 1855 B and Glastonbury Aug 17 1855 A . Wax Seal remnants with oval impression  Origin: Dunkeld, UNITED KINGDOM Destination: London, UNITED KINGDOM Letter from Dunkeld Scotland May 2nd 1816 to Bere Street, London and addressed to 'My Dear Wife' Manuscript 2½d, and Add ½d in rectangular border. Dunkeld mileage mark 456 E with rectangular border (mileage from Dunkeld to London via E (Edinburgh) Hexagonal Stamp in red May 4 1816 Possibly Edinburgh transit mark. Whitney #104 / Later datastamp 4/7 Circular double rim in red May 7 1816 - receiving stamp in London From 1813 there was an additional ½d charged on letters on any carriage with more than two wheels. This was to compensate the Post Office for the withdrawal of their exemption from Road Toll charges.   Origin: Edinburgh, Scotland, UNITED KINGDOM Destination: Ayr, Ayrshire, Scotland, UNITED KINGDOM Stamp-less folded letter address to Sheriff Jenkins? of Airshire (sic) from Gibson Warellows. Add 1/2d in square border. Round red Scottish postmark OCT - B 5 N - 1818. Written note 'portages' 3/2 which may mean 1 1/2d or 3 halfpennies. (Portages = cost of carrying). Further note on front stating Titles given to M Murdoch.  Let me know if you need more info |
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Post by Bas S Warwick on Apr 25, 2018 21:52:29 GMT
Origin: Inverness, Scotland, UNITED KINGDOM Destination: Reelig, Bogroy, Invernessshire, UNITED KINGDOM Description: Folded letter 1840 Inverness to Reelig, Bogroy, Scotland -'prepaid' ............... Postmark Inverness 6th July 1840 Addressed to JAMES BAILLIE FRASER (1783-1856), 15th laird of Reelig, traveler, writer, and artist. www.iranicaonline.org/articles/fraser- Signed J Wilson - possibly of the Wilson Clan I'm basing that on the wax seal being Semper vigilans with demi lion rampant www.scotsconnection.com/clan_crests/Wilson.htm |
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Post by tallanent on Apr 25, 2018 22:26:04 GMT
Origin: Dunkeld, UNITED KINGDOM Destination: London, UNITED KINGDOM Letter from Dunkeld Scotland May 2nd 1816 to Bere Street, London and addressed to 'My Dear Wife' Manuscript 2½d, and Add ½d in rectangular border. Dunkeld mileage mark 456 E with rectangular border (mileage from Dunkeld to London via E (Edinburgh) Hexagonal Stamp in red May 4 1816 Possibly Edinburgh transit mark. Whitney #104 / Later datastamp 4/7 Circular double rim in red May 7 1816 - receiving stamp in London From 1813 there was an additional ½d charged on letters on any carriage with more than two wheels. This was to compensate the Post Office for the withdrawal of their exemption from Road Toll charges. The red hex mark is Edinburgh - as you note - the letter was routed via this office Everything added to the database - with thanks Now over 18,370 items listed .... |
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