Bombadil
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Post by Bombadil on Dec 20, 2017 15:06:27 GMT
I'm glad to have been able to assist. Perhaps @falshung will be able to comment on whether it is real or a forgery. I'd be interested in learning about the marking on the stamp as I find it quite impressive. oh and thank you for the Forbin Link . I strongly agree concerning the marking , this is what made very eager to ID the stamp in the first place .
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Dec 20, 2017 17:34:08 GMT
First of all, many thanks to Bombadil for your post on this thread. I don't blame you for considering this stamp to be one of your favorites. I think it is a beautiful philatelic item. And it looks like tomiseksj has nailed the identification on the stamp--nice work, Steve! I wish that I were home right now, as I would check my unsorted holdings of classic Turkey to see if I have anything like this in there. Comment about the "overprint": In my experience, the vast majority of true overprints are designed to fit onto the stamp being overprinted. In this example, the overprint seems to be much larger than the stamp, which leads me to think that it is a cancellation of some kind rather than an overprint. Since Steve's research indicates that this a kind of revenue stamp, I am wondering if this could be a revenue cancellation of some type. I don't know a whole lot about revenue cancellations, except that they are often quite distinct from typical postmark cancellations, and the marking on your stamp would certainly be that. Just food for thought. In any case, it is a great piece, Bombadil, thanks for sharing this on TSF!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 19:42:25 GMT
Between 1870 & 1900 postmasters manufactured local cancelers without dates, these were often very fancy. I have a listing of some 1000 normal cancels but it does not fall into any category. The 1891-1919 newspaper stamps with handstamp overprints were forged in great quantities. This 1875 edition appears genuine and it is not an overprint but I do not have enough reference material as the stamps in a sheet had a lot of varieties. Depending on your image source, the color is an issue. The only one that I know who made this forgery was Placido Torres and his stamp outline is very different You could try sending an email to Turkey's main dealer/auction house (in English). Email: info@burakfilateli.com
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Bombadil
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Post by Bombadil on Dec 20, 2017 19:51:17 GMT
First of all, many thanks to Bombadil for your post on this thread. I don't blame you for considering this stamp to be one of your favorites. I think it is a beautiful philatelic item. And it looks like tomiseksj has nailed the identification on the stamp--nice work, Steve! I wish that I were home right now, as I would check my unsorted holdings of classic Turkey to see if I have anything like this in there. Comment about the "overprint": In my experience, the vast majority of true overprints are designed to fit onto the stamp being overprinted. In this example, the overprint seems to be much larger than the stamp, which leads me to think that it is a cancellation of some kind rather than an overprint. Since Steve's research indicates that this a kind of revenue stamp, I am wondering if this could be a revenue cancellation of some type. I don't know a whole lot about revenue cancellations, except that they are often quite distinct from typical postmark cancellations, and the marking on your stamp would certainly be that. Just food for thought. In any case, it is a great piece, Bombadil, thanks for sharing this on TSF! Chris , I was waiting for you to weigh in on this tomiseksj was very swift identifying the stamp Your appreciation of my post gives me great encouragement to venture more into stamp collecting and the urge to learn more each day . Thank you Chris,Steve and all members of TSF for the continuous help
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Bombadil
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Post by Bombadil on Dec 20, 2017 20:08:36 GMT
Between 1870 & 1900 postmasters manufactured local cancelers without dates, these were often very fancy. I have a listing of some 1000 normal cancels but it does not fall into any category. The 1891-1919 newspaper stamps with handstamp overprints were forged in great quantities. This 1875 edition appears genuine and it is not an overprint but I do not have enough reference material as the stamps in a sheet had a lot of varieties. Depending on your image source, the color is an issue. The only one that I know who made this forgery was Placido Torres and his stamp outline is very different You could try sending an email to Turkey's main dealer/auction house (in English). Email: info@burakfilateli.com Hello falschung, Oops i missed your post . Thank you for the significant clarification i really appreciate that also i am going to take your advise on sending an email and try to track the postmark . I will update the post if they reply with any further info .
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Post by mdroth on Dec 21, 2017 7:21:55 GMT
Hi Bombadil -
As stated, you have an Ottoman Newspaper revenue stamp from 1875. It is genuine. The cancellation is not one I've seen before - it is very nice! Sorry - can't offer anything more on the cancellation. The stamp was issued as a series of 3: a 2 para deep blue; a 2 para light blue; and a 2 piastre grey. You're showing 2 pictures with wildly different colors - so I can't tell which it is. The arabic '2' is prominent in the middle, at the bottom of the stamp. (about 1/4 way up from the bottom)
These are somewhat common. Catalog values are 1 euro mint & 5 euro used for the 2 2-para values, and 5 euro mint & 15 euro used for the 2 piastre value. My catalog is the 2010 Revenue Stamps of the Ottoman Empire. These are easiest to tell apart from the colors, so I can't even try. If someone sends me an email, happy to send a picture from the catalog. (which is in color)
Just looked at my small collection of these...I have all three colors, but nothing even remotely close to the cancellation on yours. Someone with significantly more expertise than me in cancellations will have to weigh in on that!
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Bombadil
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Post by Bombadil on Dec 21, 2017 13:57:15 GMT
Hi Bombadil - As stated, you have an Ottoman Newspaper revenue stamp from 1875. It is genuine. The cancellation is not one I've seen before - it is very nice! Sorry - can't offer anything more on the cancellation. The stamp was issued as a series of 3: a 2 para deep blue; a 2 para light blue; and a 2 piastre grey. You're showing 2 pictures with wildly different colors - so I can't tell which it is. The arabic '2' is prominent in the middle, at the bottom of the stamp. (about 1/4 way up from the bottom) These are somewhat common. Catalog values are 1 euro mint & 5 euro used for the 2 2-para values, and 5 euro mint & 15 euro used for the 2 piastre value. My catalog is the 2010 Revenue Stamps of the Ottoman Empire. These are easiest to tell apart from the colors, so I can't even try. If someone sends me an email, happy to send a picture from the catalog. (which is in color) Just looked at my small collection of these...I have all three colors, but nothing even remotely close to the cancellation on yours. Someone with significantly more expertise than me in cancellations will have to weigh in on that! Hello mdroth and Thank you for your informative sharing , as for the difference in colors is due to the fact that I took the first picture using my iPhone6s and the second focus Picture I used a LED magnifier under the camera to get the script in high definition . I think I have the Grey one , I should clearly invest in a color guide . If it not a trouble, i will send you an email (subject Ottoman 1875) it would be great see the listings in a colored catalogue . Regards,
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Post by mdroth on Dec 22, 2017 6:12:12 GMT
Testing the picture uploading tool!! Preview button doesn't seem to work??
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Post by mdroth on Dec 22, 2017 6:14:54 GMT
Well that seemed to work! Let's try a better one??
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Dec 22, 2017 13:47:10 GMT
... Preview button doesn't seem to work??... The Preview "tab" is showing you what your post will look like once created -- toggle back and forth between the Preview and BBCode tabs and you'll see how it is intended to function.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 8:53:52 GMT
morning collectors Hope im posting on the right page. I have a set of stamps and we cannot figure out which country they are from hope someone can help. here's the pic
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