rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jun 21, 2014 12:00:14 GMT
Netherlands Indies under Japanese Occupation. I was going to just mount these randomly, If any members have information that would promote a better album page, it would be appreciated, however I realise these overprints were many and varied. Any catalogue recommended? Thanks in advance for any assistance.
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Post by Jen B on Jun 22, 2014 1:54:00 GMT
I don't have any info on these, but my what an interesting conglomeration of markings on a single stamp!
Your file 7995 stamp has the Japanese character overprint, a cancel, that other marking that looks somewhat like a clover, and the "T" with a bar on top overprint.
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Post by tomiseksj on Jun 22, 2014 3:20:05 GMT
Rod, Apart from the notation in the Scott catalog, I haven't found much of detail regarding the Japanese occupaton overprints. However, a quick skim of the paper Revolutionary Stamps of Indonesia 1945-1949 suggests that most of the stamps you've shown have overprints that were applied to Japanese occupation stamps by the revolutionary forces for use in Java and Sumatra.
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Post by Ryan on Jun 22, 2014 4:10:19 GMT
Netherlands Indies under Japanese Occupation. I was going to just mount these randomly, If any members have information that would promote a better album page, it would be appreciated, however I realise these overprints were many and varied. Any catalogue recommended? You can try this page with a .PDF catalogue available for Java & Sumatra issues. Note that this site also has a South Moluccas listing available, surely to match with your interests. Ryan edit - oops, I'm slow - that's the same catalogue that Steve links to. But you'll still like the South Moluccas listing!
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Post by Ryan on Jun 22, 2014 4:20:26 GMT
Your file 7995 stamp has the Japanese character overprint, a cancel, that other marking that looks somewhat like a clover, and the "T" with a bar on top overprint. The "T with a bar" is the standard Japanese pictogram for the post office. Here's an image nabbed from Wikipedia of a Japanese post box. Ryan
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Post by rod222 on Jun 22, 2014 4:32:46 GMT
Wow! Guys and Gals, you really came through, fabulous stuff, a page making I shall go. I am surprised I missed both the "pictogram" of the "T", as I surely knew it is as the Japanese Flag of the Post Office. I didn't make the connection. and what Jen refers to as the clover leaf, I saw as a playing cards "Clubs" I'm getting old. A very big thank you. (Links saved in my Weblinks file) Clipping I took in 2007
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Post by Philatarium on Jun 22, 2014 4:55:07 GMT
Sorry, Rodney, I somehow missed this thread when you initiated it.
This is an area I haven't ever done anything with other than accumulate them. However, the JSCA (Japanese Specialized) catalog does have a fairly extensive section on Japanese Occupation in the Netherlands Indies that runs for 32 pages. Unfortunately, it is entirely in Japanese, and I'll have to spend a little time with it to see if I can figure out this section and how your stamps fit into it.
But I'm also intrigued by the link(s) that Steve and Ryan posted to, and am anxious to download that, take a look, and see how it reconciles with the JSCA. It looks like that author has tried to reconcile the JSCA with Indonesian and other sources, and he may be more reliable than the Japanese catalog.
Ryan is also correct that that "T" with an extra lid on it is the symbol for the Japanese Post Office. (Or maybe was -- the new privatized corporation may have changed it, but I haven't really kept up with that.)
It will be a few days before I can sit down with this information and process it.
The one thing I can say now is that all the stamps but one do have the overprint (in katakana) for Sumatra. The one that doesn't is your file 7999, the middle one on the bottom row.
It looks like this is one of those areas where a lifetime or two might begin to cover the field, and I'm afraid I'm getting a late start!
-- Dave
P.S. I'd be happy to send you those JSCA pages if you'd like to have a go at it in the meantime.
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Post by Philatarium on Jun 22, 2014 4:57:57 GMT
Forgot to mention that I very much appreciate Jen mentioning the overprint that looks like a club or cloverleaf. I might have missed that. "Hiding in plain sight"! I think that's symbolic of the Republic of Indonesia overprint, but that's all I know from a quick scan.
-- Dave
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Post by Ryan on Jun 22, 2014 11:38:51 GMT
Rodney, if you're unable to determine the info on your stamps from that downloadable catalogue, there might be more info contained in one of the catalogues I have. Both of these books have sections for Java & Sumatra issues. I haven't looked at them in detail to see if your issues are shown, however - what a mess, all these overprints! Ryan
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Post by rod222 on Jun 22, 2014 12:34:11 GMT
Rodney, if you're unable to determine the info on your stamps from that downloadable catalogue, there might be more info contained in one of the catalogues I have. Both of these books have sections for Java & Sumatra issues. I haven't looked at them in detail to see if your issues are shown, however - what a mess, all these overprints! Ryan Thanks Ryan, shall get back to you in a few days. Currently taking on Brother Printers, I overcame the "chipped" Printer restriction, but now have to tackle the "reset the flag gear" to keep my printer humming Full marks on your detective work with that date slug of Jeff's, extraordinary!
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Post by Philatarium on Jun 22, 2014 16:59:33 GMT
Rodney, I tried to spend a few minutes sorting through the Japanese catalog this morning, and I'm not much better-informed than I was before I started. I was going to refer you to a specialist society, Dai Nippon, but their website is "suspended." Not sure what's up with that, because I had accessed it just a couple of weeks ago for another friend who's beginning to study this area. Here is the link anyway: www.dainippon.nl/And here is a glimpse into what was there before the suspension: archive.today/N4cEkI'm hoping maybe just somebody forgot to pay the internet bill, rather than something more permanent. There is also this society, which says they cover the colonies as well: www.asnp1975.com/I'm hoping Ryan also might be able to shed more light on these, once he has a chance to look at the Indonesia catalogs. The only light I can shed is that the 6th stamp (purple) does not have a post-occupation/independence overprint, only the Japanese occupation one. (But I think you knew that anyway!) -- Dave
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Post by rod222 on Jun 22, 2014 21:34:07 GMT
Thank you Dave. I have taken those links, I'll get back to you when I've studied the pages.
How on ever did you get the "archive"? That looks rather nifty. Any tips?
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Post by Philatarium on Jun 22, 2014 21:41:53 GMT
Rod, that archive link just came up through a regular Google search, which then reminded me that such a capability exists.
But, as I said, the Dai Nippon (which means "Greater Japan", by the way, and are the first 3 kanji used on their stamps of that period) site was active maybe as recently as just a couple of weeks ago, so it's a curious situation. I looked to see if the APS had a link to that group in its database on specialty organizations, but they didn't.
But that is how I found the other Netherlands organization, which claims to cover the Japanese Occupation. All but the last 5 years of their publications are on their site for free, along with an index to most of the years. I did a quick glance and didn't see much that was on point on our current discussion, but a careful examination by you might unearth some nuggets.
All the best to you,
-- Dave
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Post by siem on Jul 18, 2017 21:10:39 GMT
The Dai Nippon society has the following website: www.dai-nippon.nl (with a dash). Their site is a bit out dated and hard to navigate, but it seems that the stamps you show are all Sumatra overprints from 1944 and later.
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Post by david on Dec 29, 2021 18:30:03 GMT
Hello There are some stamps I have from Netherlands Indies. If not the case, please correct me then :-)
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Post by tobben63 on Dec 6, 2023 11:01:02 GMT
Interesting. Now we just have to find the answer from the stamp dealer Mr. Hagedorn.
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Post by rod222 on Jan 22, 2024 19:23:27 GMT
In this post by member "snowy" Are any members able to explain the "G" marginal markings ? Created by the Japanese Opt?
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