tobben63
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Post by tobben63 on Mar 17, 2019 19:41:42 GMT
I did come over this today, someone know what it is and why it is on this stamp?
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khj
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Post by khj on Mar 17, 2019 21:29:07 GMT
Looks like an owner's mark. It's not any expertizer mark that I've seen before -- also much bigger than most expertizer marks.
In the distant past, buyers who participated in circuit books often used a simple handstamp to mark the spot where they removed a stamp. A small fraction of them would mark the back of their stamps as well -- I'm sure they had their reason. APS now requires the handstamp to also have APS membership number. But historically, owners have used anything from initials to symbols.
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Post by khj on Mar 17, 2019 22:25:29 GMT
Ignored for too long, hidden from view, we shall look at all the scribbles, the abuse, the weird and the wonderful, of markings on the back of Postage Stamps................ ... I missed this thread/post. I guess I will email Rod regarding this. I'm not convinced the reply he got is correct. I've not known this to be the practice in the Republic of China -- but don't hold me to that. What is more likely, and I've seen this happen, is transfer from the envelope to the back of the stamp during soaking. I know it's not obvious, but the mark is actually a mirror image. That suggests to me that it is indeed a transferred image. Below is the correct orientation for comparison:
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Mar 17, 2019 22:38:19 GMT
Because I had a few minutes while waiting for dinner:
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Post by jamesw on Mar 18, 2019 1:54:15 GMT
Russian stamp money had this printed on the back. these backs were shown on the previous page I believe.
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Post by jamesw on Mar 18, 2019 1:59:48 GMT
Another Latvian stamp printed on unfinished money
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 23, 2019 0:39:21 GMT
I know this has come up elsewhere, but I can't remember where, and my efforts searching have come up empty, so please forgive me if this is not the correct category. [post merged into this thread by Admin] While soaking and sorting a recent acquisition of Great Britain stamps, I came across these (and I have others, but they still have hinges on them... Can anyone tell me the signifigance (or insignifigance?) First - actual printing and then these, perhaps stamped on the back by hand(?)
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Mar 23, 2019 1:35:01 GMT
The vertical lines on the back of your Wilding definitive are made of graphite and are electrically conductive. They were used in an early attempt at researching / testing automated mail processing. Although they worked, the graphite line method was later largely superceded by the various fluorescent & phosphorescent tagging methods. Here's a PDF text which summarizes the history of the graphite-lined Wildings. There's also a Wikipedia page for it. Those stamps aren't too common, I have piles of Wildings but only a small number of the graphite-lined issues. As for the others, I think that's probably just a previous owner's handstamp, or perhaps a trademark from a dealer. I suppose it's also possibly an expertiser's mark, but I don't think those are particularly valuable stamps, so that's unlikely. Ryan
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 23, 2019 1:45:09 GMT
Ryan - I will print out the PDF and file for reference! as to the stamping on the back of the stamps (try saying that fast 10 times in a row), perhaps it is the owner, as this is from what I believe was a single collection. I will have to look and see if I have any of the single line graphite specimens (I have several of the double) Thanks! Stanley
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 23, 2019 1:57:28 GMT
I did just find this at: www.filatelia.fi/experts/namesg.htmlIRO (in circle) Area of expertise: Rumania (Regatul), Hungary Details:On genuine, [Flasch] how that relates to these examples I have no clue....
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on May 14, 2019 0:59:33 GMT
I asked about these a while back and I've now finished sorting into smaller piles GB and these I pulled out. These are a bit too "modern" for me, but if anyone has an interest PM me! Notice one only has a single line (2d brown)... i know there's a second one somewhere...but it's have found it's way back intot e larger sort piles....
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on May 14, 2019 12:58:38 GMT
Looks like these will get packaged up and sent across the pond!
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Post by outremer01 on Mar 14, 2020 10:45:02 GMT
France has added numbers to the reverse of coil stamps for accounting purposes for some time, usually on every 10th stamp. These are from the 1982 - onwards of Gandon's "Liberty" design.
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Post by outremer01 on Mar 14, 2020 10:50:22 GMT
For a period in the late 1950's the Republic of Lebanon applied a linear repeating pattern to the gum side of many definitive stamps. This pattern is not referred to in SG, Michel or Timbroliban.
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stanley64
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Post by stanley64 on Nov 20, 2020 11:00:55 GMT
Here's one, a collector's / owner's mark on the back off a Canadian 2¢ Imperial Penny Postage (aka Map Stamp),
If anyone recognises or can attribute the 'B2' mark to a specific individual, please do share...
Thanks and happy collecting!
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Dec 31, 2020 7:13:55 GMT
Here's another stamp dealer's mark on the reverse of a stamp, in this case the 1927 Canada Confederation 60th anniversary 2 cent green commemorative. Border Cities Stamp Shop was found listed in the 1923-1924 Windsor, ON city directory. Ryan
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gmot
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Post by gmot on Jan 14, 2021 3:15:35 GMT
This is an amusing one on a Cape Juby stamp I used to own.
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stanley64
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Post by stanley64 on Jun 8, 2023 10:44:06 GMT
Found these in a hoard of Portuguese Ceres from Moçambique,
Given that there are not the most scarce of stamps, one wonders why a collector would mark them individually. Assuming they are collection marks, is this still done?
Have fun and happy collecting!
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Post by paul1 on Jun 8, 2023 10:55:23 GMT
I like them - but then again I'm a fan of the Iberian Peninsular and their colonies, though I'm really only a beginner. Here, it may depend on when these marks were made - back toward the middle of the C20, collectors and dealers used to sometimes pencil on the SG No. (for the U.K. market), and occasionally the value, but the marks on these are slightly mystifying. the 15c. here appears to have a long No. on the back - Spain did this but don't know if Portugal/colonies did the same. Sorry this is unhelpful, hopefully someone will have the right answer.
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stanley64
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Post by stanley64 on Jun 8, 2023 11:26:02 GMT
As you called out the 15c. issue paul1 , here is a close-up of the text stamped on its back, Moçambique 1914, 15c. rosa malva (mauve rose) 12 x 11 1/2 on liso or smooth paper
Clearly not the catalogue numbers we see from time-to-time scribed on the backs of our stamps, but something else...
Have fun and happy collecting!
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Post by paul1 on Jun 8, 2023 11:51:22 GMT
thanks stanley64 - thanks for the better picture - agree, this isn't one of the 'Spanish type' long numbers, and do we think this is telling us the date of 1926 ? - but no idea as to what the hieroglyphics looking bit is in the middle. Very interesting nonetheless.
edited to add: This Roman deity was a busy gal - worshiped as a goddess of agriculture, fertility, grains, the harvest, motherhood, the earth, and cultivated crops - didn't seem to have a day off, and as we know very busy too appearing on stamps. For the Portugal/Mozambique issues, she looks to have mostly been done in ochre, green or chocolate until c. 1913, when the 15c. colour appears to change to 'claret', and mauve/rose doesn't appear until much later - but, no doubt it depends on whose catalogue you're looking at, but I agree the perfs. I've been peering into SG., who speak of 'dull rose' for printings of this denomination of Ceres c. 1926 for Mozambique, and for which it looks like they use T13 as their own type reference, and main SG No. of 301. Looking again at the markings I'm thinking possibly what we're seeing is an upper case M contained mostly within an oval cartouche, and which splits the date of 19 -- 26 thus. Just my opinions.
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Post by gstamps on Jun 8, 2023 15:41:44 GMT
You should be very careful with the markings on the back of German stamps. German stamps can be marked on the back with the experts' marks, which can contain the name and logo of the experts' organization to which they are registered. I found cases when only letters are applied - I'm not sure if the experts accept this marking of their evaluation - but without the name (I think there are agreements/negotiations with collectors who want to know what stamp they have without having an official certification) This is also the case with my stamp which has "BXb" written on the back. It is Mi # 117 (1945, Soviet Zone, West Saxony) which were perforated in different ways. Some stamps are rare, which also applies to my stamp Mi#117BXb (perforation and watermark correspond to the catalog...the only uncertainty being the color - my old problem)
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