rod222
Member
Posts: 9,878
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Jul 25, 2015 23:21:26 GMT
The TSF basic Albanian....
Shqiptare = pronounced Shkeep-tare
web: Shqipe means Albanian as the feminine adjective. It is also a synonym for the word "eagle". It is an Albanian name used more frequently by the Albanians of Kosovo, than from the ones of Albania, even though you can run into it even in Albania. The pronunciation is not so easy by an English speaker, cause the "q" in Albanian is pronounced like the Germans pronounce "ch", for example in "sprechen",
|
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 9,878
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Aug 26, 2015 0:49:19 GMT
From Scott: 1938 10th anniversary of Royal Rule. They were on sale for 3 days (Aug. 30-31, Sept. 1) only, during which their use was required on all mail. The Souvenir sheet CV : $23 Mint $100 used Steiner Page 34 [Broken image link removed]
|
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 9,878
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Aug 27, 2015 0:20:31 GMT
classicalstamps Hi CS, I have another (I suspect) 10 forgeries ? if you want them. (scans) Albania 1945 Convocation of the national Assembly. (Looks like I have purchased a page of counterfeits) My observations: Genuine : Typography Counterfeit : Lithography Genuine : Typography Perf 11½, Overprint leaves depressions in paper, slightly yellower shinier clear gum. Counterfeit: Lithography Perf 11 (Instances of very rough perforations) , Overprint no depression, dull clear gum. Let us know if you want scans of the suspect 10 counterfeit values.
|
|
|
Post by classicalstamps on Aug 27, 2015 17:18:06 GMT
rod222I would like to get a copy of your scans very much. Note: The 1917/1918 Coat of Arms, there are actually more than 50 different forgeries of this series.
|
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 9,878
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Aug 27, 2015 20:36:02 GMT
classicalstamps ALL the above page are counterfeits. I was suspect, but didn't have a "genuine" to compare. After all these years, I seem to still have a problem with ID of Typography v Lithography. I found a genuine Opt Typography now, and the difference is immediate, like chalk and cheese. I'll take scans at 600dpi for you, and email. Genuine TYPOGRAPHY (The mottled effect of the ink, whitish areas amongst the ink from the pressure of the die) Counterfeit LITHOGRAPHY (smooth image throughout) [Image links broken]
|
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 9,878
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Aug 27, 2015 20:56:05 GMT
Easy forgery ID for the Bridge issue (other than colour, and perf) There are two small lines in the Left hand Apse.
|
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 9,878
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Aug 29, 2015 8:45:45 GMT
1921 Insurgent issues "Mirdites Republic" Takse (Postage Due) 25 QUINT opt 3 lower issues evidence dark brown gum. 1941 Liberation committee, exile in Italy. Kastrioti, Churchill and F D Roosevelt Full issues available on the Witt Cinderella collection. (scroll left hand side down to Albania Page 1) www.cinderellas.info/wittcoll/collection.htm
|
|
|
Post by jamesw on Sept 21, 2015 2:22:01 GMT
Funny those Liberation Committee in Exile stamps have passed through my hands many times over the years, and I never realized they were cinderellas (bogus, fantasy, whatever you want to call them.) Well didn't i just stumble on a pile of them in a batch of stamps I've been sorting. So now I have both 1941 and 1952 sets, and will be on the look out for the 1960s version with the different portrait of FDR. Thanks for the tip Rod!
|
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 9,878
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Nov 1, 2015 6:50:13 GMT
Some Flotsam and Jetsam from the Albania Files, that may be of interest. working on Albania as I owe Classical Stamps some Forgery scans. Images of some go before on this thread. Littleton Stamp Company, New Hampshire
|
|
|
Post by jaysee on Nov 2, 2015 14:06:00 GMT
|
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 9,878
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Nov 2, 2015 21:53:38 GMT
Thank you very much. Had not seen that before.
|
|
Beryllium Guy
Moderator
Posts: 5,654
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps 1840-1930
Member is Online
|
Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 8, 2017 21:29:12 GMT
Some Flotsam and Jetsam from the Albania Files, that may be of interest. Working on Albania as I owe Classical Stamps some Forgery scans. Unissued Prince William l 1920 I had another inconsequential birthday a few days ago, but among the good things that came out of it for me, was this very nice set of overprinted stamps from Albania, Scott #120-124. I don't have too much material from Albania, so I was very pleased to get these as a gift. I am concerned, however, as Scott notes that "Counterfeit overprints exist of Nos. 120-128" and "Stamps of type A14 (Portrait of the Prince zu Wied) were not placed in use without overprint or surcharge." So, it is quite handy that, back in 2015, rod222 posted a photo of some of these stamps without overprints so that everyone can see the original design. My question: does anyone know how to tell the counterfeit overprints from the genuine ones? I could not find these listed in Focus on Forgeries, and nothing came up in a web search. @falshung , jkjblue , or classicalstamps : any ideas about these? I welcome any comments. Thanks!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 11:25:11 GMT
A very nice and desirable Albania set. Also one of the higher CV's, although they will sell for considerably less. Their CV's naturally brings out the forgers. Several prolific ones in this case. Which is why you find so many of the 25q for sale - 95%+ fakes. Overprints can be very difficult to analyze unless you have the stamps on hand and the equipment to do so. A little homework for you. Here is a signed original Compare it with yours The shape of the heads and tongues The feathers especially the tail The toes - note the claw on the first one The letters, shape (especially the S), serifs, joined letters, spacing, inclination (the D is generally inclined on the forgery). If you have an ultraviolet light, it will tell you a lot Check the backside to see if the ink came through. Under magnification, the edges of the inking, the size of the letters. The 1q Note 1. the intense blue color 2. You can see on the edges where the ink is squeezed out
|
|
Beryllium Guy
Moderator
Posts: 5,654
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps 1840-1930
Member is Online
|
Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 9, 2017 16:46:33 GMT
Thanks for the quick reply, @falshung! I always appreciate your feedback.
I will take a closer look at these later today, and post my opinion based on your comments. I will be interested to hear what you think at that point! At this early stage, unfortunately, I think that the 25-qintar value, which is the key stamp in the set, looks suspect to me.
More later....
|
|
Beryllium Guy
Moderator
Posts: 5,654
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps 1840-1930
Member is Online
|
Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 9, 2017 20:32:28 GMT
A little homework for you. Here is an original. Compare it with yours The shape of the heads and tongues The feathers especially the tail The toes - note the claw on the first one The letters, shape (especially the S), serifs, inclination (the D is generally inclined on the forgery). The 1q - Note 1. the intense blue color 2. You can see on the edges where the ink is squeezed out Thanks for adding the additional photo of the 1-qintar stamp, @falshung . Here are higher resolution images of the two key stamps in the set: Scott #120 1-qintar and #124 25-qintar So, based on the criteria cited in your post, my opinion is that the 1-qintar overprint appears genuine, but the 25-qintar looks counterfeit. On the 25-qintar stamp, the overprint feathers, toes, and claws are indistinct compared to yours and compared to the rest of mine, and I think that the serif on the "S" is also indistinct or missing, and the "D" does appear to be at a slight angle compared to the other copies. The other three stamps in my set appear very similar to the 1-qintar overprint, so I think that all are genuine with the exception of the 25-qintar, which is, of course, the highest CV stamp and the key to the set. Please let me know what you think of my opinion. If you agree with me, I will return these stamps back to the dealer from whom they were purchased for a refund.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 22:25:44 GMT
Unfortunately the high res do not help much The 25 has way too many issues so it's a 99.9% fake The 1 has some minor issues but 2 main ones I magnified your small strip compared to the one I posted The tail ends straight The the ones I sent you it curves to the left The head on the left griffin is too thick and not properly formed I give this one a 90%+ fake This series has a variety of fakes so there are levels of quality. Finding a full set of original would be a challenge BTW the prices that these sell for are far less than the CV Cherrystone
|
|
Beryllium Guy
Moderator
Posts: 5,654
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps 1840-1930
Member is Online
|
Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 9, 2017 22:56:23 GMT
|
|
|
Post by classicalstamps on Apr 10, 2017 10:04:14 GMT
Beryllium Guy Poulie in cfr. Phipps J. S. 'opera citata', p. 194 identifies two types of forgeries; Type 1. - The letter H and K and joined together in SHKODRA. Type 2. - The claws are too long and too separated compared to the genuine. - The horizontal line of the letter 'H' tilts down from left to the right. On genuine the angle should be right. Remember: If your stamps does not fit either 1 or 2, it does not make them genuine! Also note: please use better images in the future. Use less compression.
|
|
Beryllium Guy
Moderator
Posts: 5,654
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps 1840-1930
Member is Online
|
Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 19, 2018 3:59:04 GMT
Many thanks to Jon ( blaamand) for inspiring me to finish what I started on this old thread. In the end, it was quite clear that most of the overprints in the set that I purchased were 99%+ certain to be forgeries. So, I returned the stamps back to the dealer for a full refund. That was the good part of the story, although of course, I was disappointed not to have the stamps. The "less-good" part of the story is what happened after that. A couple of months after I had returned the stamps, I was browsing through the same dealer's online store, and I saw the set I returned being offered again at the same price I paid for it. So, in the crusading spirit of Londonbus1, I contacted the dealer and pointed this out. They claimed that this occurred in error, and quickly withdrew the set from sale. The fact that this happened, however, caused me some concern. So, I asked the dealer what their normal procedure was for situations when the genuineness of one of their offerings was called into question. I was further disappointed, as I never received an answer to this question. Since that time, I have stopped purchasing material from this dealer, as my impression is that while they offer a full money-back guarantee, they do not even take the time to investigate their own offerings for forgeries, even when prompted by a customer. I have not identified the dealer by name, as I am not sure if that is acceptable on TSF, but I will respond to any PM requesting that info, unless Steve ( tomiseksj) tells me that it is OK to post it, in which case I will update this thread. Anyway, thanks to you, Jon, for reminding me to finish the story of my experience with these stamps. I hope that you will have better luck than I did in finding genuine overprints of these interesting stamps.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 12:37:09 GMT
They claimed that this occurred in error, and quickly withdrew the set from sale. Since that time, I have stopped purchasing material from this dealer, as my impression is that while they offer a full money-back guarantee, they do not even take the time to investigate their own offerings for forgeries, even when prompted by a customer. 1. The error was you finding out they were forgeries
2. The guarantee only applies if item 1. occurs
This dealer is part of a very large group that knowingly or through lack of knowledge offers such material. I correspond with a few who actually note their forgeries and obviously do their homework. One in particular has an auction site with over 2000 forgery submissions in a separate category That's the kind of dealer you need to find. As we can see from those who temporarily join to see "How much is this inherited collection worth", lots of older collections are entering the market with their abundance of packet trade fakes.
|
|
brightonpete
Departed
Rest in Peace
On a hike at Goodrich-Loomis
Posts: 5,110
|
Post by brightonpete on Jun 19, 2018 15:24:39 GMT
That "kind of" sounds like a dealer I have dealt with. I order stamps, they send me other varieties of said stamp, not the one I ordered. They are relatively quick to fix the mix-up though, so I have continued with them. But it happens more often than I'd like!
|
|
renden
Member
Posts: 8,705
What I collect: World W collector with ++ interests in BNA (Canada etc) and USA
|
Post by renden on Feb 25, 2021 17:43:09 GMT
Some of my Albania stamps - overprints have NG - the last row I think are Cinderellas - I do not care if there are forgeries as I never paid a ¢ for them and thy were aquired in the 1960s by my late dad in buying a few collections/ 1 hour after the scan I received an offer for the lot by PM - done René
|
|
stainlessb
Member
qaStaHvIS yIn 'ej chep
Posts: 4,642
What I collect: currently focused on most of western Europe, much of which is spent on France, Belgium, Germany and Great Britain Queen Victoria
Member is Online
|
Post by stainlessb on Feb 17, 2022 14:55:07 GMT
I believe this to be Albania, but I cannot find in Scott. Found it last night in a pile of stamps at the stamp club. Cost me a nickel!!
|
|
brightonpete
Departed
Rest in Peace
On a hike at Goodrich-Loomis
Posts: 5,110
|
Post by brightonpete on Feb 17, 2022 15:08:41 GMT
I believe this to be Albania, but I cannot find in Scott. Found it last night in a pile of stamps at the stamp club. Cost me a nickel!! Looks like J26 to me. You got a deal on that one!
|
|
millersville
**Member**
Posts: 25
What I collect: World-Wide Revenue
|
Post by millersville on Feb 29, 2024 4:56:35 GMT
I have found several of these non-overprinted Skanderbeg Coat of Arms stamps listed on eBay, but none with a designation number so I'm wondering if these are forgeries or rarely found. Thoughts?
|
|
rod222
Member
Posts: 9,878
What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
|
Post by rod222 on Feb 29, 2024 5:49:19 GMT
I have found several of these non-overprinted Skanderbeg Coat of Arms stamps listed on eBay, but none with a designation number so I'm wondering if these are forgeries or rarely found. Thoughts? millersville This is my suggestion in 2011 Would need confirmation
|
|
|
Post by franoise on Feb 29, 2024 6:57:53 GMT
The stamp showed by millersville is Michel # 76 without overprint According to Michel catalogue "Stamps # 76-81 without overprint were originally only for the Skutari area (inscription Shkoder) but were not officially used"
|
|