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Post by jamesw on May 16, 2015 3:49:08 GMT
Just came across these 1906 Persian lithographed provisional stamps. I don't know...there's something about them that really catch my eye!
The catalogue says 'forgeries are plentiful'. Knowing my bent for fakes I'm kinda hoping these aren't the real thing.
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Post by jimjung on Sept 20, 2015 12:02:19 GMT
Here are some more that look similar. 1906 Postage Stamps for Tabriz according to the On-Line catalog. Don't know much about these.
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Post by jkjblue on Sept 21, 2015 18:31:54 GMT
These are forgeries. I have a scan of genuine/forgeries on the Iran post on my blog site. Basically, the vertical oval on the lower horizontal border next to the right corner is open: forgery. The genuines have a closed oval there. bigblue1840-1940.blogspot.com
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Post by bobby1948 on Feb 17, 2016 22:10:23 GMT
Please help identify these overprints. I cannot find them in Scott, so maybe they are fiscal stamps? Or perhaps fantasy issues?
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Post by feebletodix on Sept 10, 2018 14:19:55 GMT
Hello, I have been trying to decipher this cancel, it is on the back of a Government of India (embossed) cover and appears to read Bough... (Depar.... 7 XI 34. Can anybody help please
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Post by renden on Jan 14, 2019 21:13:12 GMT
Found this one in my late dad's 40s Scott International Junior and I have quite a lot of these early (old) Persia/Iran stamps. My take is Iran/Persia Scott #239 Type 1 and because of the counterfeits of some during those years - this is a 1902 Handstamp ovprt in black and valuable, if it does qualify......how do my friends at TSF check these stamps and counterfeits....I know one post in this thread referred to a blog (Big Blue)..not familiar.. Thanks guys* btw guys=gals !! René 12 c ultra and buff
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Post by renden on Jan 15, 2019 18:16:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 18:54:09 GMT
This follows the series I posted and includes Sc 130-135. What makes me doubt that they are genuine - am no expert - though I would appreciate @falshung 's comments: all stamps have intact "gum" and carry a "CTO" cancel. Fun to look at. 12 1/2 perf and each one carries the proper handstamp Being a generalist in all these WW classic issues, I can only give an opinion
Although this set has loads of CTO's, I don't believe these are. The ovpts. don't at all match 2 that are 99.9% genuine I think perhaps fake ovpt. & cancel to increase their value The ovpts.on your 10 & 50 are very different from each other
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Post by renden on Jan 15, 2019 19:25:57 GMT
Always interesting to get some feedback and I thank Nelson @falshung - I might get an opinion but I have not finished the potential forgeries yet !! René Here are more of Interest Sc 239 (probably posted before) 1902 T1 Sc 281 1902 TII (damaged) Sc 252 1902 TI .........more later
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Post by renden on Jan 15, 2019 19:55:24 GMT
More Iran/Persia Typeset: Overprint " Provisoire" of 1906, Imperf Sc # 422,423,424,427 ............and forgeries are plentiful
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Post by renden on Jan 16, 2019 19:34:48 GMT
Well I kind of finished 99% of Persia/Iran stamps I had from old Scott Junior (I and II) Albums my late dad bought. I have never bought a Persia/Iran stamp but I do have a nice collection of potential "forgeries". As recommended, I will not send a stamp for an $0.50 ID as this would not help me for the others I have. I am not posting anymore but they are all inventoried with a note "forgery" !! One day I will sell them.....as forgeries (maybe !!) René
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Post by renden on Jan 20, 2019 18:20:55 GMT
Sharing more probable "forgeries". These two of 1906 are Sc # 422/424, without overprint and Scott 2009 and 2013 cats. mention that they were probably not issued in that condition......forgeries plentiful ! René
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Post by feebletodix on Apr 18, 2019 15:34:08 GMT
These fell in to my hands today and I was wondering whether this set was forged like so many others and if so where I can find images of genuine examples to have a good look at. The 1909 set overprinted service:- Regards Feebles
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Post by renden on Apr 18, 2019 17:06:39 GMT
feebletodix Gavin, nice stamps that would complement my many Persia "forgeries" Taking a look at Scott Classic 2019, I read: O-31 to O-40 1911 overprints of 1909 regular issue " The 13c, 26c and 3k to 30k denominations were not regularly issued with this overprint. Dangerous counterfeits exist, usually on reprints".I feel that the word *dangerous is superfluous !! René
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 22:01:07 GMT
These fell in to my hands today and I was wondering whether this set was forged like so many others and if so where I can find images of genuine examples to have a good look at. The 1909 set overprinted service:- Image of genuine wont help much. Differences are minor.
Need to have details of genuine and one member knows these well but not around now. These are more like 1911 service SG O53-60 with some not listed Based on a limited view of the stamps the ovpt looks good but not conclusive
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Post by feebletodix on Apr 19, 2019 7:54:47 GMT
Thanks guys, I assumed they were forgeries of the higher values but could not determine a difference. Reprints make more sense and explain why the un-issued values were included. If they do turn out to be genuine I will have to make a larger donation to the charity I bought them from.
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Post by abctoo on Jun 29, 2019 3:19:52 GMT
A January 29, 1935 Postcard from Kashan (Kachan), Isfahan Province, Persia, to Paris, France, via Teheran and Russia, forwarded February 2, 1935 from Paris to Hotel Trois Épis, Promenade des Anglais, in Nice, France. Scott #772 10 dinar blue x 2 & Scott # 774 30 dinar green x 2 on 10 dinar blue postcard inscribed: کارت پستال ایران CARTE POSTALE DE PERSE (Persian Postcard). Handwritten on the card are پاریس (Paris) and Via Russie (via Russia) . The five different cancellations are: (1) KACHAN No 1 / 29 . 1 . 35 / کاشان (canceled on each stamp) (2) KACHAN (DEPART) / 30 . 1 . 35 / کاشان (3) TEHERAN No1 / ۱۳-۱۱-۱۲ / تهران (In Persian Jalaali Calendar, [13]13-11-12 = February 1, 1935) (4) PARIS V / 10 - / II II / 1935 / DISTRIBUTIONE (on back) (5) partial NICE [-] with Slogan NICE SES JARDINS / NICE SEN SOLEIL / NICE SES FETES (on back) If someone responds to this posting, I put up some earlier Persian covers.
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Post by renden on Jun 29, 2019 13:08:32 GMT
Interesting and please do post more....
René
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Post by blaamand on Jun 29, 2019 15:30:58 GMT
abctoo - That's an interesting cover and a very fine write-up - I would love to see any earlier covers you can show us
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Post by abctoo on Jun 30, 2019 10:40:45 GMT
A 16 March 1930 Air Mail Cover from Bushire (Bushehr) to Shiraz with Scott # C24-C25 and 742 (x2). Scott says “Counterfeits exist” for the overprinted airmail stamps. Total postage is 14 Chahi (6ch regular postage + 8ch airmail fee). On the top of the front is handwritten چیراس Chiraz (Shiraz) (in upper right corner) , پست هوایی Airmail (center right) , and پستیوای Postage (center left), which means I think, "to Shiraz by air, postage paid." The back is canceled with: (1) Leave Bushire 16 March 1930, BOUCHIR (DEPART) / ۲۵-۱۲-۰۸ / (عزیمت) بوشهر (in Persian Jalaali Calendar 25-12-[13]08 = 16 March, 1930) , and (2) Arrive Shiraz, 17 March 1930, CHIRAZ (ARRIVEE) / ۲۶-۱۲-۰۸ / چیراس (date in Persian Jalaali Calendar is 26-12-[13]08 = 17 March, 1930)
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Post by abctoo on Jul 4, 2019 10:23:05 GMT
1926 Persian cover from Tabriz تبریز aka Tauris to Paris, France with 15 chahi postage (Scott # 707, perf. 11½ x 3; and Scott # 653, perf. 11½, 19 mm vignette). Scott says for the overprint set that includes Scott # 707: “'Forgeries exist perf. 12½X12, with either machine of handstamps. Most of these fakes can be identified by the absence of the top serif of the “1” in “1926.”'” While the stamps pictured below are perf. 11½, the “1” in the “1926” portion of their overprint provides good examples as a start to distinguish the real from the fakes. The Persian international single letter rate in 1925 was 15 chahi. Some records indicate it was changed to 1 Kran (20 chahi) sometime late 1925, but I have found examples of the 15 chahi rate used internationally as late as 1927. The accounts of 13th Century Armenian historian, Vardan Areveltsi indicate that in CE 246, to avenge his brother's death, king Tiridates II of Armenia repelled Ardashir I of the Sassaanid Empire and changed the name of the city from Shahistan to Tauris, deriving from “ta-vrezh” (“this revenge” in Grabar). In CE 297, it became the capital of Tiridates III, king of Armenia. There is no prior recorded history to confirm Areveltsi. Cancellations in the last 19th and early 20th Centuries often use the name “Tauris” for Tabriz. Handwritten: “Via Russie” Cancels: (1) Leave Tabriz 17 June 1926, TAURIS (DEPART) / 17 VI 26 / تبریز عزیمت and (2) [French receiving mark] 30 June 1926, [-] / 30 / JUIN / 7H / 26 / [-] DISTIBon.
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Post by abctoo on Jul 4, 2019 10:53:52 GMT
1927 Persian cover from Ministry of Finance, Department of Consumer (Diary) Land Farming) in Teheran تهران to Washington, D.C. (U.S.A.) with 15 Chahi foreign rate postage (Scott # 731). On the front of the cover is printed وزارت مالیاء Ministry of Finance (in Urdu) / .......ادارۀ Office or Department (in Urdu), and in the upper left quadrant (if I translated it correctly) is hand-written: شیرتردیشگ زمین کشاورزی Consumer (Dairy) Land Farming (in Urdu), which might translate as Ministry of Finance, Office of Dairy Breeders. In the top right corner is handwritten: ( آمریکا ) America / واشنگتن Washington. It is a common practice (perhaps mandatory) on both international and domestic letters to write in the upper right corner the place where it is is going. The 15 chahi stamp is canceled (TEHERAN) / No. 16. X. 27 3 / تهران (Tehran 16 October 1927).
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Post by abctoo on Jul 6, 2019 10:05:37 GMT
The basic foreign mail rates from Persia: [20 Chahi = 1 Kran (1 Rial)] dates letter postcard registration fee 1876-1884 10ch 2.5ch 10ch 1885-1891 12ch 12ch 1892-3/1894 7ch 3.5ch 14ch 3/1894-6/1894 8ch 4ch 16ch 6/1894-6/1895 10ch 10ch 6/1895-5/1905 12ch 5ch 12ch 5/1905-10/1913 13ch 6ch 13ch 10/1913-8/1921 12ch 5ch 12ch 8/1921-10/1921 12ch 11/1921-9/1925 1kr 1kr 9/1925-6/1930 15ch 9ch 15ch 7/1930-2/1931 18ch 1kr 3/1931-3/1932 1kr 7ch 1kr 9ch 4/1932-4/1941 1kr 10ch 1kr 10ch
As you can see from the chart, the 1kr single foreign letter rate was in use from1921-1925, before the lower 15ch single foreign letter rate in use 1925-1930.
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Post by marking on May 4, 2020 18:33:32 GMT
A few very nice 1881-82 Revenues These can be found as essays on cardboard Some are found with no values There are apparently no known used ones Designated R1-R6
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Post by hrdoktorx on May 4, 2020 19:45:33 GMT
Please help identify these overprints. I cannot find them in Scott, so maybe they are fiscal stamps? Or perhaps fantasy issues?
No one ever answered that one. My old Yvert & Tellier catalog lists those as unissued. The PP overprint stands for "Postes Persanes".
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Post by marking on May 4, 2020 21:14:34 GMT
Please help identify these overprints. I cannot find them in Scott, so maybe they are fiscal stamps? Or perhaps fantasy issues?
No one ever answered that one. My old Yvert & Tellier catalog lists those as unissued. The PP overprint stands for "Postes Persanes" They probably should be listed as 1898 issues They have some value and occasionally show up at auction for $15 & up each
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Post by marking on May 5, 2020 17:33:04 GMT
The early ones - 1870 Sc1 Sc 2 Sc 3 Sc 4 Lots of forgeries but most have specific characteristics
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