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Post by jamesw on Jul 19, 2015 20:40:15 GMT
Can anyone help me identify these aerogrammes? Scott's doesn't list them. The used one has an indecipherable cancel, but the letter was dated March 9, 1952. Can anyone provide me with issue dates and catalogue numbers, if possible, for this and the two unused aerogrammes? Much appreciated. |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jul 19, 2015 21:46:27 GMT
james,
I have no catalogue for Israel Aerogrammes but a google search might bring up something. Looks like the top one was posted on March 10th 1952 with a Tel Aviv-Yafo postmark. This would have been an older aerogramme that the sender used with the new postage rate, an extra 5 prutot. The stamp was issued in December 1949.
For me, the differences between the top one and the other two are the most interesting feature. The latter 2 are obviously much later not only because of the postage charge but also because of the Hebrew spelling !! The Hebrew 'aerogramme' literally translates as 'Air letter' and the spelling of both words on the first one is different to those on the latter two. Also the spelling of the word 'post' on the air mail 'symbol' is different to the spelling of the word 'post' in the Israel Post logo close by !!!!! Different spelling, same aerogramme !
Great stuff.
One constant on all things postal is the running Stag, part of the logo from 1949 until today, appearing in the margins of most stamp sheets and on many other items for over 65 years !!
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Post by jamesw on Jul 20, 2015 2:36:44 GMT
Thanks for the insight Mr Bus. I googled and found several of the earlier used item listed at 1952. The Philately Club ( philatelyclub.com/category/394-stamps_middle_east_/page_12.html ) lists the other two at 1953. What I thought you might find of interest, Bus, is the sender of the 1952 letter. After looking at the message, I realized Francis L. Taus was a dealer, and the letter is outlining Israeli philatelic material he is sending to Mr Long in Toronto. He even talks about aerogrammes, which he admits aren't his thing. A google search revealed Francis Taus to be the secretary and treasurer of the Israeli Philatelic Exchange Club (1952 - 1954?). Anyway, thought you might know the name (and, no, not because everyone in Israel knows each other!) Here's the letter inside the aerogramme.
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Post by Ryan on Aug 8, 2015 8:48:22 GMT
I have an old (almost "very old", 1998) Bale catalogue that lists these. Their nomenclature labels them "airletter sheets" rather than aerogrammes. The first one was numbered AS.4 and an issue date of 18 March 1951 is shown. They were withdrawn on 30 June 1952. The remaining two were numbered AS.16 (150 pr.) and AS.17 (250 pr.). Both had an issue date of 20 May 1957 and a withdrawal date of 19 January 1960.
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Post by rod222 on Aug 8, 2015 9:22:11 GMT
I have an old (almost "very old", 1998) Bale catalogue that lists these. Their nomenclature labels them "airletter sheets" rather than aerogrammes. The first one was numbered AS.4 and an issue date of 18 March 1951 is shown. They were withdrawn on 30 June 1952. The remaining two were numbered AS.16 (150 pr.) and AS.17 (250 pr.). Both had an issue date of 20 May 1957 and a withdrawal date of 19 January 1960. Ryan Bale Catalogues  |
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Post by Mick on Nov 4, 2015 2:10:26 GMT
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Post by Mick on Feb 21, 2016 20:11:20 GMT
Here is one that is the same as James' thread starter, but without the 5 makeup stamp. It is from 1951 (a year before James' example), and at the original lower postal rate. I presume the postmark is also Tel Aviv.  Israel-1951-07July1951_cover by Mick Taylor, on Flickr |
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Post by rod222 on Feb 21, 2016 23:42:56 GMT
Here is one that is the same as James' thread starter, but without the 5 makeup stamp. It is from 1951 (a year before James' example), and at the original lower postal rate. I presume the postmark is also Tel Aviv. Israel-1951-07July1951_cover by Mick Taylor, on Flickr Appears to have an auxilliary marking, Mick. An "M" or a "U" in a circle, purple ? There is a similar black smudge on James' aerogramme. |
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Post by Mick on Feb 22, 2016 0:29:56 GMT
Appears to have an auxilliary marking, Mick. An "M" or a "U" in a circle, purple ? There is a similar black smudge on James' aerogramme. Rod, I think it is the Hebrew letter "Beth." Hopefully LB can tell us for sure. |
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Post by ronbreznay on Jul 15, 2018 1:04:08 GMT
The Israel aerogramme illustrated was sent by Dr. Oved Shifriss, The Weizmann Institute of Science, Rehovot, Israel, to Philip F. Bogatin, Drexel Bldg., Philadelphia 6, Pa., USA. It is postmarked Rhovot 4, Israel, on June 17, 1954.
The first-series 50 prutot aerogramme, Type 2 (Bale AS.4), has four adhesive stamps affixed: two of 1948 15 mils (Scott 4) and two of 1948 50 mils (Scott 6). One mil is equal to one prutot.
Starting on March 30, 1954, until the rate changed on October 1, 1958, the aerogramme rate from Israel to the U.S. was 180 prutot. This cover has 50 prutot preprinted plus 130 mils in added stamps.
Dr. Shifriss was a scientist who worked for W. Atlee Burpee & Company in Warminster, Pennsylvania, which is near Philadelphia. One of his noted accomplishments was the development in 1949 of the Big Boy hybrid tomato, which revolutionized home tomato gardening. He also developed hybrids of corn, cucumber, eggplant, cantaloupe, watermelon, and others.
After leaving Burpee, Dr. Shifriss moved to Israel to found and direct the plant genetics program at the Weizmann Institute of Science in Rehovot, during which time he sent this letter.
The letter is dated June 16, 1954, and Dr. Shifriss talks about his life in Israel and his work. An additional note written by his wife, Shoshana, mentions that he developed “the first sweet hybrid corn on this side of the waters.”
Dr. Shifriss lived in Israel for six years and then moved back to the U.S. He died in 2004 at age 89, but his legacy lives on in his popular tomato hybrid and other fruits and veggies.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jul 15, 2018 8:51:27 GMT
The Israel aerogramme illustrated was sent by Dr. Oved Shifriss, The Weizmann Institute of Science, Rehovot, Israel, to Philip F. Bogatin, Drexel Bldg., Philadelphia 6, Pa., USA. It is postmarked Rhovot 4, Israel, on June 17, 1954.
The first-series 50 prutot aerogramme, Type 2 (Bale AS.4), has four adhesive stamps affixed: two of 1948 15 mils (Scott 4) and two of 1948 50 mils (Scott 6). One mil is equal to one prutot.
Starting on March 30, 1954, until the rate changed on October 1, 1958, the aerogramme rate from Israel to the U.S. was 180 prutot. This cover has 50 prutot preprinted plus 130 mils in added stamps.
Dr. Shifriss was a scientist who worked for W. Atlee Burpee & Company in Warminster, Pennsylvania, which is near Philadelphia. One of his noted accomplishments was the development in 1949 of the Big Boy hybrid tomato, which revolutionized home tomato gardening. He also developed hybrids of corn, cucumber, eggplant, cantaloupe, watermelon, and others.
After leaving Burpee, Dr. Shifriss moved to Israel to found and direct the plant genetics program at the Weizmann Institute of Science in Rehovot, during which time he sent this letter.
The letter is dated June 16, 1954, and Dr. Shifriss talks about his life in Israel and his work. An additional note written by his wife, Shoshana, mentions that he developed “the first sweet hybrid corn on this side of the waters.”
Dr. Shifriss lived in Israel for six years and then moved back to the U.S. He died in 2004 at age 89, but his legacy lives on in his popular tomato hybrid and other fruits and veggies.
The stamps affixed are the Second Coins issue, Part 1, from 1950, I believe the Scott numbers are 41 & 43. Nice Aerogramme ! |
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Post by tomiseksj on Jul 15, 2018 12:12:42 GMT
Do the inscriptions at left on the coin stamps measure 9mm (Scott 20 and 22; 1949) or 11mm (Scott 41 and 43; 1950)?
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jul 15, 2018 17:43:00 GMT
Do the inscriptions at left on the coin stamps measure 9mm (Scott 20 and 22; 1949) or 11mm (Scott 41 and 43; 1950)? The inscription on the left side of the stamps reads 'War of Bar Kochba ' which is only on the 1950, 1952 and 1954 series. The 15 and 50 Prutot values are from 1950. The inscription on the opposite side reads 'For the redemption of Israel'. |
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Post by tomiseksj on Jul 15, 2018 18:42:42 GMT
I posed the question because Scott doesn't provide images of the different inscriptions but rather provides the measurement of left side inscriptions as a means of telling the difference between similar denominations of the 1949 issue and the redrawn 1950 issue.
Based on the information you've provided, it is safe to assume that the left side inscription ("War of Bar Kochba") on the stamps shown is 11mm in length.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jul 15, 2018 19:58:26 GMT
I posed the question because Scott doesn't provide images of the different inscriptions but rather provides the measurement of left side inscriptions as a means of telling the difference between similar denominations of the 1949 issue and the redrawn 1950 issue. Based on the information you've provided, it is safe to assume that the left side inscription ("War of Bar Kochba") on the stamps shown is 11mm in length. Yes, that's correct. I just measured one !! I did it by process of elimination rather than the Scott measurement method (which I had noticed). But I had the obvious advantage of being able to read Hebrew so even in a Scott or Gibbons catalogue it is just about possible to make out the inscription to match the stamps affixed to the aerogramme. Then in the catalogue there are only a couple of choices and only one choice with both values ! I ramble on..........must be the weather !! |
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Post by ronbreznay on Jul 15, 2018 21:38:42 GMT
Thanks, Londonbus1, for providing the correct identification of the stamps. How could I have missed that there were inscriptions on the side? The 1948 issues don't have any inscriptions.
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Post by ronbreznay on Jul 15, 2018 21:40:50 GMT
This is the letter that's inside the aerogramme from Dr. Shifriss.
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Post by bluehens on Jul 16, 2018 16:08:52 GMT
I also have the same issue. They turned up in a collection I bought and I have them in a box ready to categorize them.
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Post by ronbreznay on Aug 18, 2018 18:41:37 GMT
I measured the left-side inscription and it is 11 mm in length. Therefore, these stamps are the 1950 issue, Scott Nos. 41 and 43.
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Post by luciano on Jun 8, 2020 20:02:21 GMT
Here is a badly worn aerogram (the same as yours) but - I think - it traveled regularly for normal postal service 
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