Andy Pastuszak
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Oct 7, 2015 1:52:44 GMT
I recently finished pages for the 1918 Ukrainian definitive stamps, and the 1920 Vienna issue which were never circulated.
The only classic era Ukrainian stamps are the overprints from 1918-1920. Scott has assigned a catalog number to some of these stamps, and so has MICHEL. But there are guides out there that show WAY MORE varieties than anyone has cataloged. I don't own any of the overprint stamps from that era, and my understanding is that there are a lot of forgeries.
I'm wondering if I should bother to make pages for these overprints at all. Since I am committed to the MICHEL numbering system (since Scott are boneheads), I would use the overprints that MICHEL has cataloged. But even that list is not complete.
I don't know if it's worth making pages for these overprint stamps.
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Post by rod222 on Oct 7, 2015 2:18:28 GMT
I recently finished pages for the 1918 Ukrainian definitive stamps, and the 1920 Vienna issue which were never circulated. The only classic era Ukrainian stamps are the overprints from 1918-1920. Scott has assigned a catalog number to some of these stamps, and so has MICHEL. But there are guides out there that show WAY MORE varieties than anyone has cataloged. I don't own any of the overprint stamps from that era, and my understanding is that there are a lot of forgeries. I'm wondering if I should bother to make pages for these overprints at all. Since I am committed to the MICHEL numbering system (since Scott are boneheads), I would use the overprints that MICHEL has cataloged. But even that list is not complete. I don't know if it's worth making pages for these overprint stamps. The amount of time you expend in producing information, is your decision alone. However, I always make some effort in putting down, what information I do have, so as to assist the next caretaker, otherwise, what you have learnt, is wasted. If you feel a fully designed page is folly, then make interim pages, simple clear pages, mount what you have in mounts in the best order you have, then add pencil notes. I see these types of "study" sheets in auction all the time, and they are great for continuing the discipline. At some later date, you may feel you have enough then to proceed to a fully designed page. My Armenia opt pages are just like that, they are so involved I spend short stints of time on them, then put them back in the bookcase. |
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Post by cjd on Oct 9, 2015 4:29:49 GMT
If you value your sanity, pick a catalogue and stick to it. Or be lost to the ages. My two hryvni.
(If it was me, I would picture the varieties across the six districts and leave open, unlabeled spaces for each collector to add as many pages as one feels is necessary to have a representative collection. I wouldn't create 2,000 spaces to accommodate all of the types and varieties across all of the underlying stamps. The person who is headed into the weeds on this will want their own pages, anyway. Okay, that was five hryvni. Whatever you decide, you're doing great work for those interested in Ukrainian philately.)
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Andy Pastuszak
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Oct 17, 2015 23:03:28 GMT
If you value your sanity, pick a catalogue and stick to it. Or be lost to the ages. My two hryvni. (If it was me, I would picture the varieties across the six districts and leave open, unlabeled spaces for each collector to add as many pages as one feels is necessary to have a representative collection. I wouldn't create 2,000 spaces to accommodate all of the types and varieties across all of the underlying stamps. The person who is headed into the weeds on this will want their own pages, anyway. Okay, that was five hryvni. Whatever you decide, you're doing great work for those interested in Ukrainian philately.) That's a pretty good idea. Let me look and see what MICHEL lists. |
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Post by tridentcrazy on Nov 26, 2016 23:24:02 GMT
hello, Although your post is a year old I think I may have an idea for you trident overprints of 1918. A man by the name of Peter Bylan has produced a catalog checklist of the Independent Ukraine 1918-1920 it does have a numbering system for the trident overprints from all 6 of the regional issues. This catalog is aimed at the starter to intermediate collector and can be had at amazon. I have used this catalog to make my pages. Peter is a very active member of the UPNS and is an expert in the field of Western Ukraine. The link to it is as follows www.amazon.com/Independent-Ukraine-1918-1920-catalog-checklist-occupational/dp/1889581046/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480202479&sr=8-1&keywords=peter+bylenI hope this helps edit: Sorry I didn't realize you were a UPNS member in which case you already knew about the catalog. My short answer to your question though is no I wouldn't. It is a morass of information and there are still issues that are under debate nearly a hundred years after issuance. If you do decide to do it then I would highly recommend the Bylen catalog stated above for your numbering system. |
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Feb 11, 2017 17:19:09 GMT
hello, Although your post is a year old I think I may have an idea for you trident overprints of 1918. A man by the name of Peter Bylan has produced a catalog checklist of the Independent Ukraine 1918-1920 it does have a numbering system for the trident overprints from all 6 of the regional issues. This catalog is aimed at the starter to intermediate collector and can be had at amazon. I have used this catalog to make my pages. Peter is a very active member of the UPNS and is an expert in the field of Western Ukraine. The link to it is as follows www.amazon.com/Independent-Ukraine-1918-1920-catalog-checklist-occupational/dp/1889581046/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480202479&sr=8-1&keywords=peter+bylenI hope this helps edit: Sorry I didn't realize you were a UPNS member in which case you already knew about the catalog. My short answer to your question though is no I wouldn't. It is a morass of information and there are still issues that are under debate nearly a hundred years after issuance. If you do decide to do it then I would highly recommend the Bylen catalog stated above for your numbering system. I am a UPNS member, but not super active. I write the stamp descriptions for the Trident Vysnyk newsletter. That's about it. I don't really collect overprints. I would be more than willing to do the work with someone helping. This reminds me that I need to get on the 2016 supplement. Time to order stamps. Andy |
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Post by tridentcrazy on Feb 12, 2017 10:39:12 GMT
Andy,
At the moment I am working on my pages to fit in the Schaubek binder system using their brilliant album pages as a guide. This works for me but...... Seeing what your pages look like I cant help but think of the possibilities.
What I have learned though is to focus on one area at a time. If you do want to make pages I would ask my self some questions. Like what kind of completeness are you looking at IE will the pages contain spaces for philatelic issues or just the ones known to be used in the mail system. Another what kind of page layout are you interested in producing?
I would be interested in helping in any way I can I have access to the Bylen catalog as well as the Siechter/Roberts catalog.
Let me know.
Cheers!
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Andy Pastuszak
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Mar 9, 2017 3:10:22 GMT
Andy,
At the moment I am working on my pages to fit in the Schaubek binder system using their brilliant album pages as a guide. This works for me but...... Seeing what your pages look like I cant help but think of the possibilities.
What I have learned though is to focus on one area at a time. If you do want to make pages I would ask my self some questions. Like what kind of completeness are you looking at IE will the pages contain spaces for philatelic issues or just the ones known to be used in the mail system. Another what kind of page layout are you interested in producing?
I would be interested in helping in any way I can I have access to the Bylen catalog as well as the Siechter/Roberts catalog.
Let me know.
Cheers!
Right now I am focusing on getting the pages from the 2000s updated with Michel Catalog numbers, and to get the 2016 supplement done. I think I need to finish that, before I go on and tackle anything else. |
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Post by tridentcrazy on Mar 9, 2017 16:26:45 GMT
sounds like a solid plan  |
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Post by tridentcrazy on Jun 7, 2017 2:45:42 GMT
the two types I have one type is my reference for when I go to shows the other is my Schaubeck paper pages   |
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