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Post by stoltzpup on Oct 20, 2013 1:20:58 GMT
I don't know much about these Indo-China imperfs. They don't appear in Scott. Can anyone shed some light? Sadly, this is not a full set with only 14 of the 17 issued with perfs.
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Post by jkjblue on Oct 20, 2013 14:52:32 GMT
Stoltzpup (Bud) I know nothing about the imperfs, but that won't stop me.
All 14 of your imperfs are from the 1933 perf set. The perforated 1938 issue (C5, C10,C13), and the 1941 issue (C6A, C10A, C13A) are missing as imperfs.So you have all of the "1933 issue" as imperfs. And it's possible you do indeed have all the imperfs,- if, in fact, no imperfs were issued for the 1938 and 1941 stamps. As you note, Scott only lists them with Perf 13 1/2, and does not mention imperfs.
Perhaps Yvert or Maury catalogue for Indochina would have the specific explanation.
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Post by antoniusra on Oct 20, 2013 17:56:23 GMT
Sorry I can't help with the Indo China. I would guess a very high number of stamps from all over come imperf, maybe as high as 75%. I see "new" stamps all the time that I never knew existed imperf. The question is of course is how scarce are they. There does seem to be a blurrrr when proofs met imperfs !! Are the stamps you have on card paper? From the scan they look thick.
I'll have a response to another question you had on page of the day in a bit
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Post by stoltzpup on Oct 20, 2013 19:33:49 GMT
Thanks (jkjblue and antoniusra)for your insights. The stamps are MNH; I put them in a page with clear pockets for the scan. They're printed on a stock that seems a little heavier (I don't have a micrometer handy) and creamier in color than the perf stamps. I suppose one might guess, based on Jim's observation that the missing values were printed in 1938, that mine may have printed contemporaneously with the 1933 issue, authorized or not. I'll see if I can find any obvious differences in the colors or plates.
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Post by Ryan on Oct 25, 2013 1:52:36 GMT
I don't know much about these Indo-China imperfs. They don't appear in Scott. Can anyone shed some light? Sadly, this is not a full set with only 14 of the 17 issued with perfs. The only catalogue I have that prices them is my 2003-04 Cérès French Colonies. Only these 14 were released imperforate - the 1941 issues are not listed as imperforates. They're valued at €45 each mint. Michel mentions that many Indochinese stamps exist imperforate but they don't list them. My Dallay is only for DOM-TOM (overseas departments and territories), unfortunately. I don't have any Y&T except for France and Monaco (maybe Andorra is in with the Monaco volume, I can't remember). Ryan
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Post by stoltzpup on Oct 25, 2013 17:03:14 GMT
I don't know much about these Indo-China imperfs. They don't appear in Scott. Can anyone shed some light? Sadly, this is not a full set with only 14 of the 17 issued with perfs. The only catalogue I have that prices them is my 2003-04 Cérès French Colonies. Only these 14 were released imperforate - the 1941 issues are not listed as imperforates. They're valued at €45 each mint. Michel mentions that many Indochinese stamps exist imperforate but they don't list them. My Dallay is only for DOM-TOM (overseas departments and territories), unfortunately. I don't have any Y&T except for France and Monaco (maybe Andorra is in with the Monaco volume, I can't remember). Ryan Thanks. You have catalogue resources I don't have and the information is very much appreciated.
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Post by barhata on Feb 13, 2014 3:41:50 GMT
The last Sanabria catalog (1972) lists them as Sanabria catalog #1a-14a and listed the mint value at $140. The perforated mint set valued at $3.50.
So, my 2013 Scott values the perforated mint set at almost $13. So, I am suggesting that this imperforate airmail set is not that common, and is definitely on the valuable side of the ledger.
Most excellent!
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Post by cjd on Feb 13, 2014 4:32:02 GMT
Yvert lists a 17-stamp perf set and a 14-stamp imperf set, and the CV for the imperf set is almost 40 times the value of the perf set. (The imperfs are a one-line mention below the regular listing, so the stamps are not individually priced. Just the full set.)
If this is what they are, you've got a nice find.
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Post by Philatarium on Feb 16, 2014 23:42:44 GMT
Wow, Bud, that looks like a nice little discovery you've made! Congratulations!
(I happened to check in the 2013 Scott Classic, and there's no mention of the imperfs there. It does mention some Vichy issues of a similar design, but with no "RF" and the values moved to the lower left. But that's not yours.)
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Post by paul1 on Jun 22, 2023 8:46:06 GMT
so why the paucity of stamps? - simply a lack of interest, or are these issues difficult to source . I had a little luck at the boot sale yesterday morning - for the grand total of £4 bought the four catalogues in the first picture - they date to the late '70s, which mostly covers my break off date so they should be useful - and lo and behold they've proven their worth already. Because ................. For £10 I also bought some scruffy old envelopes each containing a single country selection of stamps and have just pulled out, at random, three Indo-China air issues from the mid '40s, and these catalogues have helped me nail their id. After Japanese occupation of this geographic area during WW II, control was returned to the French, briefly, before change intervened and the area became as we now know as Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam. But, it's a part of the world with a complex history and not for the faint hearted. The stamps I've shown are three Air issues from 1946, and are possibly the final French Air Mail issues. the 80 c. orange is the 'Victory' stamp - SG 331 - from May '46, and is a stand alone issue. the other two are from a set of six stamps - SG 332 to 337, issued June '46 with the title 'From Chad to the Rhine ............ here are the 2 P. purple SG 335 (graphics show a scene of the Normandie beaches), and the 5 P. brown-red SG 337 (showing tanks in Strasbourg). I hope other issues in the 'envelopes' are as equally interesting. P.S. What does the letter P, for value, indicate please??
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Post by anglobob on Jun 22, 2023 11:07:58 GMT
paul1The letter P stands for the French-Indochinese piastre,used until 1952.
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Post by paul1 on Jun 22, 2023 13:00:41 GMT
big thanks for that information anglobob - I think it may have been Francs going back a long way - at least I can see an F. used much earlier on.
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