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Post by jimjung on May 15, 2016 12:13:06 GMT
I found these two stamps in a group of premium stamps I purchased. They were marked at 150 Euros retail. I looked them up on the web and they seem to be Semi-Official Airmail stamps from First Regensburg flight. Anyone know anything about these? Both stamps look the same to me. Could they be different?   |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 13:14:59 GMT
There were 3 stamps in this issue    They are photographic impressions on thick glazed paper They seem to have been used more as vignettes (Handling fees) with official stamps attached  Nice find as they have fetched some good prices on recent auctions. They are basically valued at the same price & total have sold from $1200 - $1500
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Post by tomiseksj on May 15, 2016 13:19:04 GMT
The 1954-55 edition of Sanabria's Air Post Catalogue lists three of these semi-officials: two 10 pf values in black (509 and 510 (yours)) and a 20 pf in brown (511).
The other 10 pf value (509) lacks the outer frame line that your stamps have and is inscribed "Regensburger Fliegertage".
The brief description reads: "1912, Oct. 11-13. Used on REGENSBURGER AVIATION MEETING. Photo impressions on thick glazed paper. P11-1/2."
The catalog shows the quantity printed for each of the three stamps as being 200; the prices shown for your stamp (510) were $40 unused, $75 used and $100 on cover.
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Post by jimjung on May 15, 2016 13:34:13 GMT
Thanks falschung and tomiseksj! No wonder I couldn't find these on eBay. Guess I'll hang onto one and sell the other one. I have one more. This one has me confused because Helsingfors is Helsinki (Finland) yet it appears to be a German Stamp.  |
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Post by PostmasterGS on May 15, 2016 13:36:12 GMT
These were issued for the Regensburg Aviation Days, 11 October 1912.
At that time, it was common for private aviation firms or airshows to transport mail for philatelic purposes. Come to the airshow and have your letter flown on our super awesome new plane!
The semi-official airmails covered the cost of the fee charged by the private carrier, but not the airmail rate itself. For this reason, when found on cover, etc., they typically are accompanied by normal postage to cover the airmail rate.
This particular stamp is MiNr 6. The photo is by Laifle & Cie. The paper should be thick and glossy, with line perf 11. There are a lot of forgeries of these issues.
Michel catalog value for MiNr 6 as of 2015 is:
MH -- €1,400
MNH -- €3,000
Used -- €1,300
Cover -- €2,000
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Post by PostmasterGS on May 15, 2016 13:44:03 GMT
And here's your Finnish stamp.  (click to enlarge) |
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Post by jimjung on May 15, 2016 13:53:34 GMT
Postmaster - thanks for the info. The German stamps are on a thick photographic paper. It is a hard paper with a glossy surface on the front and fully gummed on the back. The Finnish stamp seems to be a specialty type as it is a Private Local Post.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 14:50:42 GMT
The Finnish Stamp The original was made in a very distinctive saw-tooth serpentine perf as with other early Finnish stamps A latter reprint was done in a 12.5 normal perf. Unfortunately as Postmaster noted - the Finnish stamp was forged in large quantities. Yours has the traits of a forgery offered by Fournier (but probably made by Spiro) - the dot cancel is typical. There are a lot of faults with the letters, positioning and extra artifacts  |
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Post by jimjung on May 15, 2016 15:49:21 GMT
falschung, That Finnish stamp looks forged. Now I see it.The German stamps look good, though. Are they worth certifying?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 16:40:39 GMT
Well, your examples look very good and I don't know that these were ever forged.
Ones with poorer centering and partial gum have sold in the $400-500 range - Michel lists them at 3X that much (unrealistic).
Keheller has sold some without certs for the price noted.
I don't think this is a stamp for eBay as it needs a better audience
Maybe Delcampe (although there are 2 counterfeits for sale right now)
Changed my mind - you can't put up a $500 stamp against $25forgeries and expect very good results
I don't think I would bother with certs.
I don't want to commit myself on this but for better stamps I have used auction houses of good reputation and generally had good results.
Just check the fees and make sure you can set a minimum.
It can take some time to see your returns - check that also if you decide that route.
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