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Post by Philatarium on Jan 19, 2014 2:21:16 GMT
First time to read this thread, and what a great one it is! Two thumbs up!
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Post by Philatarium on Jan 19, 2014 2:28:50 GMT
Etiquettes Unknown : If you can shine a light on any, please feel free to post. (Country of origin is all that is required, possible company details are a bonus) Is this one still unidentified? (But don't click to enlarge -- I just pasted it, since the Quote feature didn't include any of the images.) If so, and this is entirely a hunch, I would guess this is from the UK, purely based on the font. (Not sure if the colors support my guess, however.) -- Dave
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Post by Philatarium on Feb 8, 2014 23:23:10 GMT
So, to confirm, this thread is appropriate for airmail and other service etiquettes, but not registration labels, right? Is there another thread already set up for that?
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Post by rod222 on Feb 9, 2014 2:09:44 GMT
So, to confirm, this thread is appropriate for airmail and other service etiquettes, but not registration labels, right? Is there another thread already set up for that? -- Dave Yes, a distinct discipline Dave. With registration labels, I am of the school that they should be identified / broadcast under that Country's "stamps" they are an integral piece of a country's philatelic history, and if we are to promote the collection of auxilliary labels, it is nice to have them interspersed with stamps. The last time I was on ebay, kicking tyres, Registration labels were asking $300 - $400 for a hagner's page so they are arriving on the scene, and getting due recognition.
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Post by stoltzpup on Feb 9, 2014 3:07:50 GMT
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Post by Philatarium on Feb 9, 2014 3:30:06 GMT
Bud: What spot on research! Both the cover and the postal bulletin (very impressive!) confirm Rod's statement that they were for US-originating airmail to foreign countries. Thank you! Great work! -- Dave
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Post by Philatarium on Feb 9, 2014 3:35:10 GMT
Yes, a distinct discipline Dave. With registration labels, I am of the school that they should be identified / broadcast under that Country's "stamps" they are an integral piece of a country's philatelic history, and if we are to promote the collection of auxilliary labels, it is nice to have them interspersed with stamps. Ok, I'll try to post that way. Some of the ones I found may be from countries for which we have not started threads. But I'll check and see. The last time I was on ebay, kicking tyres, Registration labels were asking $300 - $400 for a hagner's page so they are arriving on the scene, and getting due recognition. Wow -- another incentive for me to keep digging through my accumulations!
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Post by Philatarium on Feb 9, 2014 3:37:24 GMT
Hi Dave, your etiquette is United States, use only allowed for international air mail. It was not permissable usage on internal mail. A nice label, absent from my collection. Rod: I will definitely keep on the lookout for more of this. There may have even been others in the dealer's box that I was looking through.
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Post by rod222 on Feb 9, 2014 3:38:36 GMT
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Post by Philatarium on Feb 9, 2014 3:57:07 GMT
Rod, would it be helpful for you to have this as a pdf document on your computer? I was able to download it to my computer, and, although it's too large to send as an email attachment (94 mb), I could very well post it to my Dropbox account and you could download it from there. (But I guess that's not really different than your downloading it from Google. But let me know -- I'd be happy to do that.) It's dinnertime here, so I've only been on intermittently in the last while, and will probably be away a bit longer, as the chef has concluded preparations. -- Dave
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Post by rod222 on Feb 9, 2014 6:51:55 GMT
Rod, would it be helpful for you to have this as a pdf document on your computer? Hi Dave, I have it on my computer I just cannot "search" the contents. I think the volume is too much for my video card on my computer, it cannot load sufficient to search for a text string. I have a 2nd hand video card, I blew my last one loading too many images I think, it overheated
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Post by maerkat on Feb 9, 2014 16:06:44 GMT
I think having a board entitled etiquettes is OK. Perhaps it should be home to individual threads for different types of etiquettes, such as airmail labels; registration labels; priority labels; etc. There is a collecting club called the Postal Label Study Group, and their website's welcome screen states: "{Welcome} to the international group of philatelists interested in the collection and study of a wide variety of postal labels used in the processing of the mails including: Airmail labels, Registration labels, Express labels, Priority labels, Certified mail labels, Insurance labels, Official Seals, Parcel post labels and Mail Routing labels."There are catalogs (some available from the PLSG) for several of these categories. I have the catalogs for air mail labels and for R labels, and they are both excellent reference works. If anyone is interested in pursuing this field further, the PLSG website is at: www.postal-label-study-group.info/index.html
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Post by maerkat on Feb 9, 2014 16:18:34 GMT
I think having a board entitled etiquettes is OK. Perhaps it should be home to individual threads for different types of etiquettes, such as airmail labels; registration labels; priority labels; etc. There is a collecting club called the Postal Label Study Group, and their website's welcome screen states: "{Welcome} to the international group of philatelists interested in the collection and study of a wide variety of postal labels used in the processing of the mails including: Airmail labels, Registration labels, Express labels, Priority labels, Certified mail labels, Insurance labels, Official Seals, Parcel post labels and Mail Routing labels."There are catalogs (some available from the PLSG) for several of these categories. I have the catalogs for air mail labels and for R labels, and they are both excellent reference works. If anyone is interested in pursuing this field further, the PLSG website is at: www.postal-label-study-group.info/index.htmlWhat I meant is a sub-board under the Cinderellas board.
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Post by Admin on Feb 9, 2014 17:57:21 GMT
I think having a board entitled etiquettes is OK. Perhaps it should be home to individual threads for different types of etiquettes, such as airmail labels; registration labels; priority labels; etc. There is a collecting club called the Postal Label Study Group, and their website's welcome screen states: "{Welcome} to the international group of philatelists interested in the collection and study of a wide variety of postal labels used in the processing of the mails including: Airmail labels, Registration labels, Express labels, Priority labels, Certified mail labels, Insurance labels, Official Seals, Parcel post labels and Mail Routing labels."There are catalogs (some available from the PLSG) for several of these categories. I have the catalogs for air mail labels and for R labels, and they are both excellent reference works. If anyone is interested in pursuing this field further, the PLSG website is at: www.postal-label-study-group.info/index.htmlWhat I meant is a sub-board under the Cinderellas board. We have had that discussion during Admin/Mod meetings, at the time the forum was young and we did not want to flood the Cindy section with a whole bunch of sub-boards with just one post. We will look into it again in the next meeting and talk about restructure.
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Post by Philatarium on Feb 9, 2014 19:55:37 GMT
Great posts and contributions -- thank you to all!
I spent some time late last night looking at discussion threads on etiquettes and registration labels on some other sites. What a can of worms I've opened! (but in a good way)
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Post by Philatarium on Feb 9, 2014 20:08:49 GMT
So, moving from airmail etiquettes to another type of service, does anyone recognize this label well enough to know what country it's from? A Google image search did not make a connection. In my reading those other threads last night, I saw that sometimes the accent was acute (pointing down to the left) and sometimes grave (pointing down to the right, as in this example). Is the first Spanish and the second French? (I know I should know this, but it's been a few years ... and I hope I've remembered my French well enough to recall the accent marks correctly. ) And a really stupid but foundational question: is this for the service that would be known as Special Delivery in the US? (Again, I found Google unhelpful because I wasn't able to isolate the search to philatelic results.) TIA, -- Dave
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Post by rod222 on Feb 9, 2014 21:32:54 GMT
I'd suggest Spain, indicating Air Express. Once again, basic general geographic assumption, but needs to be proven by an image on cover. If one is dedicated, just search Spanish Covers, until you spot one identical. Then capture the image, and place alongside the etiquette digitally. Tough work this Stamp Collecting lark
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Post by maerkat on Feb 9, 2014 21:42:07 GMT
I think that French uses both types of accents on the e. I also think that French is the official language of the UPU, and they might have rules that postal service labels be printed in French or in French and the home country's language.
The cancel might give a clue, but there is not much to go on. It looks like "LAS . . ." and there is a curved line just before that which almost looks like part of an Arabic letter. that might indicate usage in one of the French areas of the middle east like Tunisia or Syria.
Just a guess.
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Post by Admin on Feb 9, 2014 21:42:52 GMT
I'd suggest Spain, indicating Air Express. Once again, basic general geographic assumption, but needs to be proven by an image on cover. If one is dedicated, just search Spanish Covers, until you spot one identical. Then capture the image, and place alongside the etiquette digitally. Tough work this Stamp Collecting lark
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Post by rod222 on Feb 9, 2014 21:48:58 GMT
Well, ...tough for some of us Done with Elan, Admin, but remember we stamp collectors are a finicky bunch, the labels need to match "exactly" the EXPRES needs to be seriffed, bold, in a marked frame, line rouletted before we yell "bingo" BTW that bottom cover, I get the feeling the chappie was in a hurry, air label, hand written Urgent, Expres labels, and URGENT labels. (maybe a collector sending off for hinges)
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Post by maerkat on Feb 9, 2014 22:00:57 GMT
I think that French uses both types of accents on the e. I also think that French is the official language of the UPU, and they might have rules that postal service labels be printed in French or in French and the home country's language. The cancel might give a clue, but there is not much to go on. It looks like "LAS . . ." and there is a curved line just before that which almost looks like part of an Arabic letter. that might indicate usage in one of the French areas of the middle east like Tunisia or Syria. Just a guess. Never mind!
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Post by Philatarium on Feb 10, 2014 3:12:23 GMT
Thanks, Jack, for tracking down those covers. As Ron suggested, you are the master of understatement. Hats off also to Rod and Ray for working on this! This label was the most elusive of my finds. I do have one service label to ask about later on -- then the rest of the items I picked up recently were registration labels, none of whose origins are obscure. Thanks again, gents! -- Dave
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Post by Philatarium on Feb 10, 2014 3:27:40 GMT
Ok, one last one. I am surmising, but happily willing to be corrected, that it's from Belgium, as the other language on it is French: I coyly avoided naming the language on the left. In running the phrase on the left through Google translate, it said it was Dutch. (There is an "identify language" feature!) I looked to see if Flemish was an option, but it wasn't. Then I Googled and Wiki'd a bit more, and it appears to be that Flemish and Dutch are very similar, with some spoken dialect differences -- the implication being that the written languages were the same or at least very similar. So my hypothesis that it is from Belgium is sustained, if not yet confirmed by usage on cover. Do I appear to be in the right ballpark? The label roughly translates to "no longer at this address". -- Dave
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Post by tomiseksj on Feb 13, 2014 14:10:54 GMT
Here is a Pan American Airlways etiquette use on a card mailed from Jamaica in 1937 -- the sender was on a cruise from New York to Rio so there is no telling where the label was acquired. The post card it was affixed to may be viewed at thestampforum.boards.net/post/14044/thread.
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Post by tomiseksj on Feb 17, 2014 13:49:56 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Feb 17, 2014 14:33:10 GMT
Nice piece of research Steve, many thanks for that. Modern post is becoming very complicated.
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Post by tomiseksj on Feb 17, 2014 19:07:36 GMT
...Modern post is becoming very complicated. ...and ever-changing -- see this article regarding the recent merger of La Poste and Swiss Post in the UK.
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Post by rod222 on Feb 18, 2014 0:39:27 GMT
Goodness me. Somewhere, some very intelligent and busy philatelist is probably monitoring all this, and documenting it. Rather him/her than me. With Pitney Bowes, looks like they have it all sown up.
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Post by Philatarium on Feb 19, 2014 20:56:39 GMT
Rod: Saw this on another board (for an entirely different discussion) and snagged the image as documentation of an airmail etiquette from China in what I believe is the late 1940's. Not a great example, but an example nonetheless. (I also have an image of the verso, but there are no markings whatsoever.) (Coincidentally, the destination is just a couple of miles away from where I lived until a couple of years ago.) -- Dave
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Post by rod222 on Feb 20, 2014 0:59:12 GMT
That is a cracking cover Dave, thanks. what got me was the handstamped aircraft in red. Love things like that. Filed under etiquettes China.
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