Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 20, 2017 7:18:08 GMT
Based on my previous recent posts, many of you know that I am currently on travel and do not have access to my scanner. So, I apologize in advance if the quality of the photo below is not up to standard, but it is the best I can do at the moment. I need some help. In the Scott Catalogue for Victoria, there are two distinct stamps, #148: 2p violet issued in 1884-1886 and #162: 2p violet issued in 1886-1887. In the catalogue, there is no explanation how to tell one stamp from the other. The design, color, watermark, and perforations appear to be the same. My question: can anyone on TSF give me a clue how to tell these two issues apart? At this point, my best guess is that the darker color stamps are one issue, and the lighter color ones are the other issue. Other than that, I haven't a clue. I am wondering if a Gibbons Catalogue might have more detail? Any help that anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated. I need to return some of these to a fellow collector, but need to identify them correctly first....  |
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on May 20, 2017 10:38:42 GMT
The Scott catalogue used to have an error in those listings, with both #148 and #162 showing the same stamp! That has since been fixed - my 2016 copy shows the correct issues. The six stamps you show are all #162. The difference is in the background - #148 has a solid, dark-coloured background, whereas #162 is as your copies with a lighter-coloured background made of horizontal lines. Here are two images nabbed from Les Molnar's Stamps of Victoria website. The top image is Scott #148, the bottom is Scott #162.   Ryan |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 12:17:53 GMT
I would agree that yours are all 162.
SG 2014 lists varieties (postmarks should help) - my specialized Brusden-White is on loan right now so no other details
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The first 3 look like varieties & some may be modified designs.
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 20, 2017 16:18:54 GMT
Ryan and @falshung, thank you so much for the quick and helpful responses to my question--this is exactly what I was hoping to find out. I have a 2017 Scott Classic Catalogue at home, but when I travel, I usually take an old, beaten-up paperback copy of the 2000 Scott Classic Catalogue to save wear and tear on my current one. This old catalogue has only black-and-white illustrations, and the printing quality is not as good as the newer ones, so I could not tell from the illustrations how the stamps were different. I am sorry to learn that with 6 copies at hand, all are varieties of the same stamp, but glad to know that now I have it right. This sort of thing shows exactly why I love TSF so much.... collectors helping other collectors. Thanks again, guys!!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 31, 2017 23:46:08 GMT
I am looking for help one more time with identifying another stamp from Victoria. Based on the design, the stamp should be either Scott #14, 15, or 16. This copy is damaged with thin spots on the face of the stamp in two places on the left side which have removed some of the design. Printing Method: The first question is whether this stamp has been engraved or lithographed. If engraved, it is Scott #14, if lithographed, then either #15 or #16. Color: The next question is the color. To me, it looks like "purple brown", which is one of the many choices in Scott. Other possibilities include: reddish brown, chestnut, gray brown, purple black, brown lilac, or red lilac. Any comments that anyone can offer to help with identifying this issue would be greatly appreciated.  |
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Post by Anping on Jun 1, 2017 0:02:56 GMT
I am looking for help one more time with identifying another stamp from Victoria. The next question is the color. To me, it looks like " purple brown", which is one of the many choices in Scott. On my monitor, that would be my choice. |
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 1, 2017 4:37:22 GMT
I am looking for help one more time with identifying another stamp from Victoria. The next question is the color. To me, it looks like " purple brown", which is one of the many choices in Scott. On my monitor, that would be my choice. Thanks, Anping, I appreciate that helpful observation! By any chance do you have a Gibbons catalogue which would include these issues? I ask because if, indeed, purple brown is the right color, according to Scott, that implies that the stamp is most likely engraved rather than lithographed. In that case, identification is pretty straightforward. My impression is, however, that my stamp may be lithographed, because to me, it does not seem to exhibit the fine detail of an engraved issue. Anyway, if you can add anything else to this discussion, Anping, I would appreciate it, as you are the only one who has responded so far. |
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Post by Ryan on Jun 1, 2017 5:00:27 GMT
My impression is, however, that my stamp may be lithographed, because to me, it does not seem to exhibit the fine detail of an engraved issue. The aforementioned Stamps of Victoria site shows plenty of examples of the Queen-on-Throne issue, and the lithographed stamps can end up looking worse for detail than the ugliest third-world stamp. Apparently the printing stones were replicated over and over until they got to the point where all the detail had been teased out of them. Have a look at this - it's not a forgery!  Ryan |
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Post by Anping on Jun 1, 2017 11:11:34 GMT
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Post by Anping on Jun 1, 2017 13:45:18 GMT
I see you know have the nausea of distinguishing Scott colours from SG's interpretation; deep joy  |
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Post by Anping on Jun 1, 2017 13:56:40 GMT
My impression is, however, that my stamp may be lithographed, because to me, it does not seem to exhibit the fine detail of an engraved issue. The aforementioned Stamps of Victoria site shows plenty of examples of the Queen-on-Throne issue, and the lithographed stamps can end up looking worse for detail than the ugliest third-world stamp. Apparently the printing stones were replicated over and over until they got to the point where all the detail had been teased out of them. Have a look at this - it's not a forgery! Ryan That observation has reminded me of the classic 1854 India 4 annas bicolour (with its red octagonal frame). Apparently the 'stones' repeatedly wore out to the point that some impressions were quite awful. |
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Post by zipper on May 5, 2023 23:29:43 GMT
Victoria Embossed Cover  |
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