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Post by baffled on May 3, 2018 7:47:09 GMT
Hi, Are these 2 covers to commemorate the Boeing 747-400 in 1988 and for the 25th anniversary of the 1912 flight of Glenn Martin clipper ship flight issued by the respective companies or by USPS? The other commemorative covers in this collection have corresponding stamps except for some conventions or expos. Does this make them advertisement? The Glenn L. Martin one has a really cool personal letter on the Martin letterhead from (I think) a pilot from WWI.   |
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 3, 2018 21:49:15 GMT
A couple of very nice covers you have there, baffled , thanks for sharing! We have some TSF members who know a lot about postal history (I do not), who should be able to answer your questions, perhaps tomiseksj or smauggie or Ryan or jamesw or dgdecker or others? Anyway, hang in there, someone knowledgeable should be able to respond soon! |
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Post by dgdecker on May 3, 2018 21:51:36 GMT
Afraid I cannot help out on this one. Way beyond my knowledge base.
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on May 4, 2018 0:01:53 GMT
The USPS has only recently begun to issue covers with cachets so I think it safe to rule them out.
These two appear to have been produced by the respective companies depicted on the cachets and are properly described as First Flight covers.
Most first day covers with cachets are solely commemorative.
The inscriptions or illustrations on advertising covers promote some product or service of the sender.
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Post by baffled on May 4, 2018 3:25:52 GMT
Wow I assumed that all the covers that coincide with stamps that that are being issued are made by a USPS contracted/commissioned artist and printing companies.
Example: C 54 Jupiter balloon stamp has a cover the depicts the 100th anniversary is of Hot balloon airmail.
It's obvious that I am going through airmail and flight covers and stamps for the recipient at this point!
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Post by baffled on May 4, 2018 4:04:42 GMT
A couple of very nice covers you have there, baffled , thanks for sharing! We have some TSF members who know a lot about postal history (I do not), who should be able to answer your questions, perhaps tomiseksj or smauggie or Ryan or jamesw or dgdecker or others? Anyway, hang in there, someone knowledgeable should be able to respond soon! Glad that you can appreciate them Beryllium Guy! I wish I could share all of them but will try to share some of the ones that I think are interesting as time permits. The recipient also has a letter off the Intrepid that was sent by a Coast Guard person on the USS Intrepid for the retrieval of the Gemini Capsule to a relative. I am assuming you might enjoy reading about it based on your Be name since it is an element created by cosmic rays and atoms of a higher nuclei or perhaps because its just because it is kind of rare. Do you know of a forum person that knows anything about old planes or old airmail planes on stamp on the forum that I may contact? I know nothing about them but am just curious about a picture on a Western Airletter stamp that I think is mislabelled as a D-2 that may be an O-2. I will spare you the details on how I went down that rabbit hole and why it aggravates me! |
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Post by Ryan on May 8, 2018 21:49:20 GMT
Do you know of a forum person that knows anything about old planes or old airmail planes on stamp on the forum that I may contact? Although they don't seem to have a forum on their site, you might be able to search through the American Air Mail Society's website for information. For example, on a quick Google search using the search string Glenn Martin site:americanairmailsociety.org I found an advertisement for your Glenn L. Martin / China Clipper cover on page 34 of the May 1937 issue of their society journal. Ryan |
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Post by smauggie on May 17, 2018 0:11:12 GMT
Hi,
Lovely covers!
A late response, but hopefully helpful. Glenn Martin was an early pilot who built his own airplanes. He made the first over water flight to Catalina Island. This was not an airmail flight, but quite an achievement with regard to early aviation.
As Steve said, most later "First Flight" covers are fantasy covers and do not relate to air mail flights. Your first cover is definitely fits that description.
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Post by stamphinger on May 7, 2019 20:59:53 GMT
Hi, Are these 2 covers to commemorate the Boeing 747-400 in 1988 and for the 25th anniversary of the 1912 flight of Glenn Martin clipper ship flight issued by the respective companies or by USPS? ... ... I've been cruising the U.S. cover threads and found this one. It has been quite awhile since originally posted, but I don't think that the question about the first cover, the Boeing 747 first flight cover from Paine Field, ever got answered, so I am bumping this thread. As a collector of aircraft on covers, this is very attractive cover -- a super image of the Boeing 747-400, a super airplane. It was probably prepared by the Boeing Company to commemorate the first flight of this new model of the 747. It first flew on the cover posting date from Paine Field Everett, Washington, which is about 25 miles north of Boeing Field in Seattle. The 747-400 included many innovations that made it a more useful aircraft at the time. New engines and the introduction of a "glass panel' in the flight deck permitted the aircraft to be flown by two pilots (the flight engineer position was eliminated), the gross weight of the aircraft was increased, and winglets (now a common sight on commercial aircraft) at the end of each wing improved stability. Depending upon seating configuration, the 747-400 could carry up to 660 passengers. Maximum take-off weight was 875,000 pounds. Details of this aircraft and its first flight may be found at www.thisdayinaviation.com/29-april-1988/HS |
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Post by renden on May 7, 2019 21:41:58 GMT
stamphingerSince you seem to be an afficianado of these covers......do you have the series celebrating the Concord  ....since I have a few and like them very much - Thanks for sharing René
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Post by stamphinger on May 7, 2019 22:25:05 GMT
stamphinger do you have the series celebrating the Concord ....since I have a few and like them very much René Hi Rene: I have only a few Concorde covers. It also is a magnificent airplane, a great leap forward in air transportation. Unfortunate that it was not more economical to operate. France recently issued a very attractive Concorde stamp which may provide franking for some attractive covers as well. My preference in collecting aircraft covers, and stamps too, is oriented toward the airplanes of earlier decades, the 1930s and 1940s, but I collect them all to some extent. As I believe I mentioned in a previous post, "I have never seen an aircraft cover or stamp I didn't like." Could you post some of your Concorde covers? I would very much like to see them. SH |
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Post by renden on May 7, 2019 22:30:45 GMT
stamphingerNo problem posting images but this thread is about Boeing and Martin Planes and I do do not want to hijack it so I will find a more suitable thread.....give me 24 hours since this is a very busy time for me - Thanks !! René
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....since I have a few and like them very much - Thanks for sharing