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Post by renden on Oct 16, 2018 16:29:18 GMT
After 1.5 hour in Scott, cannot identify these 3 stamps which are China overprints (Taiwan ?) etc Help would be appreciated - Thanks René    |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 16, 2018 17:27:24 GMT
After 1.5 hour in Scott, cannot identify these 3 stamps which are China overprints (Taiwan ?) etc Help would be appreciated - Thanks René These are Japanese occupation in Northern China. Issued in 1942. Look to be Sc# 8N6, 8N8 and 8N10. |
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Post by renden on Oct 16, 2018 17:48:17 GMT
Thanks Xavier - I noted that the RL(right lower) characters were different in each stamp.......so  René |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 16, 2018 18:09:03 GMT
Thanks Xavier - I noted that the RL(right lower) characters were different in each stamp.......so René Yes, that's because the bottom row overprint is to assign a new value of half the original face value to the stamp. The top row reads "Hopeh" (Province). |
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Post by renden on Oct 16, 2018 18:16:22 GMT
Thanks Xavier - I noted that the RL(right lower) characters were different in each stamp.......so René Yes, that's because the bottom row overprint is to assign a new value of half the original face value to the stamp. The top row reads "Hopeh" (Province). Well, merci, for the Lesson  Xavier....and your help René |
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Post by salentin on Oct 17, 2018 1:55:56 GMT
Yes, that's because the bottom row overprint is to assign a new value of half the original face value to the stamp. The top row reads "Hopeh" (Province). Not quite: the overprint reads: Hwa Pei = North China Issues for Hopei or Hopeh are listed under 4N...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 2:53:09 GMT
Hwa Pei = North China
Hua Bei = North China
In Pinyin = Huáběi
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Post by renden on Oct 18, 2018 12:26:16 GMT
Hwa Pei = North China
Hua Bei = North China
In Pinyin = Huáběi
nl1947 Now I am a litle mixed up ?? Thanks René |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 18, 2018 12:39:01 GMT
After 1.5 hour in Scott, cannot identify these 3 stamps which are China overprints (Taiwan ?) etc Help would be appreciated - Thanks René I just checked with a Chinese colleague down the hall to be sure. Each of the four characters in the overprint for the stamp above means: Top left: North Top right: China Bottom left: "smallest unit of currency" (here cents) Bottom right: the number 4. |
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Post by renden on Oct 18, 2018 12:50:51 GMT
This means that your Scott #s are right ? Thanks Xavier
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 18, 2018 12:56:18 GMT
This means that your Scott #s are right ? Thanks Xavier René Yes, definitely Sc# 8Nx . |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 16:06:46 GMT
Hwa Pei = North China
Hua Bei = North China
In Pinyin = Huáběi
nl1947 Now I am a litle mixed up ?? Thanks René The stamps are 1/2 value units from Hua Bei (North China) - NOT Hwa Pei as salentin again pointed out erroneously.
in April 1942, the tariff in the occupied areas of Central China was revised with a 100 percent increase.
But in North China the tariff was not changed, although it was also under Japanese control. With a view to show superficially the unification of the postal service in North and Central China, the puppet North China Postal Administration issued a new set of stamps so-called Hua Bei (North China) Half Value stamps. The tariff adopted in North China was just the same as that of Central China. But in fact, all the stamps were surcharged with a value half of the original, as well as the overprint of two Chinese characters of "Hua Bei" which means North China. The actual postage paid for by the public was the surcharged values.
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Post by salentin on Oct 18, 2018 17:21:18 GMT
Well "erroneously" is relative. At the time when the stamps were issued the Wade/Giles transcription was used to get from chinese to latin charcters (letters). By that system North China is Hwa Pei. In the 1970s the Pinyin transcription came into use: North China became Hua Bei. In older catalogues you will therefore find North China = Hwa Pei. Possibly recent catalogues exist,what have changed form Wade/Giles to Pinyin.
I personally prefere Wade/Giles and stay with Peking and not with Beijing (Pinyin).
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