stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 24, 2019 2:17:06 GMT
If i have two mint stamps (or used in simialr condition) and one has a gutter and one does not--- is the guttered specimen the better one?  |
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zipper
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Post by zipper on Jan 24, 2019 2:48:28 GMT
I hate them and rip them off.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 2:53:33 GMT
The one of Stalin would probably be better with the gutter (actually selvedge) since it indicates a position on the sheet.
Many countries issue stamps wit a gutter between the stamps, those should definitely be kept
The other 2 indicate they are edge stamps, so that may have some added appeal to some collectors.
Personally I never really cared about blank selvedge and removed them - so your choice.
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Jan 24, 2019 4:38:41 GMT
German specialized catalogues give added value for those pieces of selvedge with info on them. There are even catalogues strictly for marginal markings!
Ryan
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jan 24, 2019 7:34:40 GMT
It's a matter of personal taste. It also depends how you collect the stamp. If you are putting them in an album where the space allowed for the stamp gives no room for selvedge, you could remove it, although then I prefer to fold it if possible, storing it behind the stamp (though you must be careful not to damage the gum in the long run then!). Some collectors do prefer stamps with selvedge. And, of course, stamps separated by gutters are usually valued higher than singles, sometimes significantly so. Personally, I do not seek them out. Since most of my stamps are in stockbooks, I can usually spare the room for selvedge, although it can then break the symmetry of the presentation, so it's not always welcome, but I avoid tearing them off since I do not want to incur the risk of damaging the stamp in the process. However, if the gutter or selvedge provides additional information about the stamp, or as is often the case with German issues, has a design that continues or matches that of the stamp itself, then I tend to keep and show them. In France, old booklet stamps with publicity tabs have more CV than without, and can be quite sought after! And for Israel, many stamps are not considered complete without their tab. Also, purists will require old Belgian stamps to still have the associated "Not allowed for sale on Sundays" tab to attain their full value.
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Post by feebletodix on Jan 24, 2019 9:28:23 GMT
I believe what you have shown are selvedge and a gutter is the piece between two stamps.:-  |
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Post by Jerry B on Jan 24, 2019 10:35:50 GMT
Hi
If a modern single stamp, and the selvage is blank, I will remove the selvage. If there are markings on the selvage, then I will leave it. However, if it is a complete set I will leave the selvage, blank or otherwise. I will always leave the selvage on an older stamp as it may show plate position.
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 24, 2019 19:28:56 GMT
I believe what you have shown are selvedge and a gutter is the piece between two stamps.:- Another day of learning! Thank you all- selvedge and gutters!
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Post by renden on Jan 24, 2019 20:46:14 GMT
........and you are over 50 posts....Congrats !! stainlessb |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jan 24, 2019 22:36:20 GMT
Three examples of selvedge worth saving:  The top one is a French cover (thanks to Beryllium Guy for trading it to me!) with a publicity tab from a booklet stamp. The two at the bottom are a German and an Israeli stamp with tabs mirroring or completing the stamp design. |
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 24, 2019 23:33:24 GMT
........and you are over 50 posts....Congrats !! stainlessb in less than 2 weeks too! |
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Post by coastwatcher on Jan 25, 2019 0:22:17 GMT
How do you guys feel about selvedge on your stamps?
I returned to stamp collecting about a year ago after retiring early due to health issues. Until recently, I have been working on several foreign interests. About a month ago, I decided to concentrate on the US for awhile and pulled out the US collection that I started in 1974 and abandoned around 1980. It was nice to look through my old collection but, having put it together as a youth, most stamps were used and the unused stamps had all been hinged. Instead of building on this collection, I decided to start anew.
I ordered the first 3 volumes of Mystic’s American Heirloom hingeless albums, which go up to 1984. I then got on eBay and HipStamp and ordered most of the stamps from the 1920s and all the stamps from 1930-1984 MNH. I figured that I would get all of these out of the way so I could start concentrating on 19th and early 20th century issues.
My purchases began arriving this week and I started placing them in my albums. One thing that struck me right away was the number of stamps with selvedge attached, including plate numbers. It was a good 35-40% of the stamps. The Prexie set I ordered had selvedge on every issue except for the three high values. It may be due to my OCD, but I don’t like selvedge. I have these nice, new hingeless albums and I want all of my stamps centered in the mounts and centered in the boxes. So, as I added my stamps to the albums, I removed the selvedge from the stamps so encumbered. I actually spent more time removing selvedge than I did sliding the stamps into their mounts.
Sorry to be so long winded but I wanted you to know the story leading up to my questions. Do you like selvedge on stamps? Do you remove it? What about selvedge with a plate number on it? Personally, I’m not into plate numbers and would rather have stamps without it. As I move deeper into 19th century stamps, I might not be as resolute about removing selvedge, especially if it contains a plate number or other printer’s mark. This would only come about due to monetary considerations and not because I like old selvedge better than new.
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renden
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Post by renden on Jan 25, 2019 0:58:19 GMT
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Post by coastwatcher on Jan 25, 2019 1:13:51 GMT
Thanks Rene, I had not seen this.
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Post by Ryan on Jan 25, 2019 3:43:25 GMT
One thing that struck me right away was the number of stamps with selvedge attached, including plate numbers. There's a catalogue for that! And a philatelic society with its own website, The American Plate Number Single Society. So, there are people who specifically collect single stamps with plate numbers attached.  A funny (to me) story about selvedge - as a young collector, I wondered why I almost never saw selvedge on British stamps. My Swedish stamps virtually never had selvedge either, but it was clear why - all those stamps were either coil stamps or booklet stamps. But what about British stamps? My stamps from Canada, US, Germany, etc, often had selvedge attached, so why did I almost never see it on British stamps? When I was in my last year of high school I went to Germany on a student exchange and came home through London. I was there for a couple of days so among other things, I stopped in at a post office to mail some postcards home. The entire counter area was littered with little scraps of selvedge torn off by customers before affixing their stamps - apparently Brits, for whatever reason, hate selvedge and refuse to countenance such stuff & nonsense. haha Ryan |
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