hkwill
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What I collect: Hong Kong (upto 1997), China Treaty Ports, arrival cancels on HK and shipmarkings on HK, plus early incoming mail to HK -
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Post by hkwill on Apr 2, 2019 9:58:36 GMT
since you all are 1 or 1 so far how about this HK stamp 1863 8c Yellow buff with standard Hong Kong B62 cancel - over a red barred circle cancel with a Capital A - this red cancel is what I am trying to ID - please help I have had no luck in finding any information... The B62 is of course HK so common and well known.,  |
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Post by feebletodix on Apr 2, 2019 13:21:22 GMT
Hi, my SG comments, 'until 1885 the vertical and horizontal killers were used to obliterate the actual stamps with an impression of one of the circular datestamps shown elsewhere on the cover' but does not go into detail, they reference 'Hong Kong & the Treaty Ports of China & Japan' by FW Webb & British Post Offices in the Far East by EB Proud.
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hkwill
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Post by hkwill on Apr 2, 2019 16:29:07 GMT
I have the complete HK and treaty port library at home - but Members of the Hong Kong Study Circle have not been able to answer and my thought is that it was posted on board ship and cancelled by the ships purser/mailroom or after being landed somewhere before being sent back to Hong Kong as the A cancel is under the B62 cancel which would perhaps support that idea. It does not appear to be a HK security mark as Rod Sell's rodsell.com/hksmsic/hksmsic.html - has nothing comparable shown. It was bought at Stampex from a French dealer some 6 years ago who said it was in an album of an old French collector who died and the children sold the album to him years after his death... |
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hkwill
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What I collect: Hong Kong (upto 1997), China Treaty Ports, arrival cancels on HK and shipmarkings on HK, plus early incoming mail to HK -
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Post by hkwill on Nov 1, 2022 14:35:05 GMT
cheeky bump of this enquiry
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Admin
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Post by Admin on Nov 1, 2022 14:43:12 GMT
hkwill, I see that you first posed the question back in 2014 and still haven't received an answer. Perhaps this will go down as one of philately's great mysteries. I hope that someone here will be able to provide you with some insight.
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Nov 1, 2022 15:06:58 GMT
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darkormex
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Post by darkormex on Nov 1, 2022 18:10:43 GMT
rainbowhugz should be included here too. I can check my Yang catalog when I am home from work this evening. There is a section regarding cancels.
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anglobob
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Post by anglobob on Nov 1, 2022 23:11:48 GMT
Sorry,can,t help with this.
Anglobob
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blaamand
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Post by blaamand on Nov 1, 2022 23:32:30 GMT
A very interesting item! I have never seen this before, so I'm equally puzzled as the rest. A wildshot is that the 'A' can indicate Amoy? The B62 could have ended on top as an arrival/transit cancel.
Or it could simply be a small and 'unknown' company's security mark.
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darkormex
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Post by darkormex on Nov 2, 2022 0:08:48 GMT
No luck in the Yang catalog, however, the round shape, and red ink that seems to have bled in spots from uneven pressure or over-inking, remind me of an East Asian seal or chop. Perhaps it is a company seal that was applied as a sort of pre-cancel, or a pre-cursor to perfins. Take a look at this website I found for what I am thinking it could be: Company Chops in China |
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rainbowhugz
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Post by rainbowhugz on Nov 2, 2022 4:40:31 GMT
hkwill I found this in my Yang's - looks similar though it's black and without the "A". I'm part of a Hong Kong Stamps FB group - if you aren't/haven't asked, I can see if any members in the group would have any idea about this particular cancel. 
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Post by daniel on Nov 3, 2022 0:28:57 GMT
hkwill I found this in my Yang's - looks similar though it's black and without the "A". I'm part of a Hong Kong Stamps FB group - if you aren't/haven't asked, I can see if any members in the group would have any idea about this particular cancel. I came across a similar one on this website, scroll down to 'Ship. Circular Grid of Lines'. I'm not suggesting that yours is a forgery rather, it does appear to be a Ship cancel. This would fit in with your cover and hkwill 's suggestion. Daniel |
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