stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on May 25, 2019 22:24:16 GMT
I have a number of early issues (Scott #48 and earlier) that are have remnants of paper or hinges-
safe to soak?
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renden
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Post by renden on May 25, 2019 22:35:31 GMT
Do not know but some other member of expertise will answer you....meanwhile have fun in California !!
René
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on May 26, 2019 8:16:37 GMT
I have a number of early issues (Scott #48 and earlier) that are have remnants of paper or hinges- safe to soak? Sorry Stan, but what country are you referring to here? The answer makes a big difference . If they are GB then they are very stable in water until the lilac & green and J Unilever issues of the 1880s . For other her countries I can’ t be specific
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 26, 2019 9:11:25 GMT
Hi, Alex ( vikingeck )! If you scroll to the top of the page, you can see that Stan ( stainlessb ) has started this thread under the Belgium sub-board, so I gather that his question pertains to early Belgium. When I first joined TSF, I repeatedly forgot to check which boards and sub-boards some threads were on, and it occasionally led to my making some posts in the wrong places. After this was pointed out to me a couple of times, I stopped making that mistake. That said, I still like it better when thread names or the initial post in a thread make it clear what area is being discussed. It's just quicker and easier for me to decide if it's even an area of interest for me in the first place. After all of that, Stan, I am sorry to say that I do not have any special expertise on early Belgium. I have soaked a few of these with no problems, but I do not know if there are any potentially problematic issues in this area. That's the best I can offer.
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on May 26, 2019 9:37:56 GMT
Thanks Chris, Sorry I had not appreciated how some threads worked on TSF. Still learning.
So Stan from my many years of experience I have not found any problems soaking Belgian stamps but I am always cautious with some red inks which contain aniline.That can run.
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on May 26, 2019 13:31:40 GMT
To all, I did ammend my title to include Belgium as I realized after posting it thatthe "Recent Posts" and "Recent Threads" tabs do not identify this.
I will try and do better in the future
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Post by blaamand on May 26, 2019 15:28:28 GMT
I am presently working on Belgium and their classics. I have soaked a huge number of them for cleaning purposes etc, and I have yet not seen any problems with the ink stability. That said, I did take care with the 1869-81 Leopold series, as these were also produced in aniline colors, simply soaked them for quite a short time.
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on May 27, 2019 3:30:27 GMT
I am happy to confirm my initial soaking has resulted in no casualties!
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bjornbelgium
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Post by bjornbelgium on Dec 23, 2022 10:23:25 GMT
I have a number of early issues (Scott #48 and earlier) that are have remnants of paper or hinges- safe to soak? Have you tried holding them over a steam outlet (like from a kettle)? That's a safer way for stamps where one cannot be sure the paper won't desintegrate...
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Dec 23, 2022 17:06:56 GMT
Many thanks for your post, Bjorn ( bjornbelgium). I have particular interest in stamps with fugitive inks, and since the time that I originally posted in this thread back in 2019, I have learned that some early Belgium issues are indeed printed with aniline inks which can be fugitive, so care should be taken when soaking. But I am curious about your comment that steaming stamps off paper would be better. Do you know that from personal experience, or have you just read about it somewhere? The reason I ask is that years ago I was given a collection by the widow of a man who had then recently passed away. I very carefully sorted through a few thousand stamps, mainly old US issues, which the collector had removed from their original envelopes by steaming. I know that this is how he did it, because his wife told me about it. Bottom line: sadly, more than 90% of the stamps that had been steamed off were damaged, mainly thins and pulled perforation teeth. I have never personally tried steaming instead of soaking, but based on what I saw of these stamps from the old collector, I would be very reluctant to recommend steaming to anyone. I don't know if it was just poor technique on his part, but the prevalence of damage was unbelievably high. These days, to avoid problems with fugitive inks, I either float the stamps face up on the water, so that the front doesn't come into direct contact with the water, or in the case of needing to remove hinge remnants rather than original envelope paper, I use "Stamp Lift" fluid, a commercial product, applied with an art brush to the remnant bits, and I carefully remove them without moistening the front of the stamp or exposing it to water. Anyway, I am interested in hearing more about your experience in this area.
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Post by jdtrue66 on Dec 23, 2022 17:42:09 GMT
Beryllium Guy I have used both steam (hot) and cold misters to do things. Some times I am trying to preserve the envelope or the card that soaking would damage but it is time consuming.
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bjornbelgium
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Post by bjornbelgium on Dec 24, 2022 12:18:27 GMT
Many thanks for your post, Bjorn ( bjornbelgium ). I have particular interest in stamps with fugitive inks, and since the time that I originally posted in this thread back in 2019, I have learned that some early Belgium issues are indeed printed with aniline inks which can be fugitive, so care should be taken when soaking. But I am curious about your comment that steaming stamps off paper would be better. Do you know that from personal experience, or have you just read about it somewhere? I presume that you shouldn't hold the stamp too long in the hot steam, I have done it in the past but I only hold them in for a few seconds at a time, your method may indeed be safer, but I don't soak off too many stamps, and I don't tend to buy lots that have lots of them... Too time consuming for me! You could also use a wet spunge to slide them over by the backside. Most of the time, they only need a little bit of water to remove the gums... The later editions, auto-adhesives (sticker stamps) are harder to remove however... they might really need a soak in water. Personally I am not a big fan of getting them entirely wet, because they need to dry for too long, but I'm sure it's more a personal thing though
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