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Post by stainlessb on Jun 15, 2019 14:01:32 GMT
I suspect this is a trimmed later version due to the "gros chiffres" cancellation, and the fact it was next to another similar stamp which under magnification showed the slightest trace of the perfs what do you think?  |
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Post by feebletodix on Jun 15, 2019 14:51:07 GMT
A quick glance at my old Yvert et Tellier shows the emporer with crown of leaves was issued between 1863-1970 and is perforated. If you are serious about doing a thorough job on this era forget SG, Yvert et Tellier is so superior, alas my copy is in French but google cures my ignorance.  |
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hrdoktorx
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jun 15, 2019 15:05:36 GMT
I agree. This stamp definitively looks trimmed. I would not trust that this is a genuine imperforate issue.
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Post by salentin on Jun 15, 2019 18:07:48 GMT
The imperforated "Rothschild-Issue" (on thicker paper) of 1869 is listed in mint condition only (Michel). So they should be ruled out. It must be a trimmed one.
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 15, 2019 18:36:39 GMT
I have ordered a NOS 1991 copy of Yvert et Tellier (in French, but translation has become very easy!) 1991 will be more than sufficient as I will likly cut off France around the end of WWII..which is where I will draw the line for much of Europe. (GB will cut off at the QE coronation) At the rate my interest in Europe is growing any focus on my US collection could be a few years away  This particular stamp is headed for the cull pile |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 15, 2019 19:45:25 GMT
Well, Stan ( stainlessb), if you want to buy lots of catalogues to figure out with utmost precision what you have, that option is certainly open to you. On the other hand, if you are serious that you are mainly interested in material up to around WWII with GB & Colonies up to QEII, then the Scott Classic Specialized Catalogue does that whole range in one volume. WW 1840-1940 and GB & Colonies up until 1952. I am the first to admit that Scott is not perfect and does not list all of the varieties for all issues from all countries during that period, but if what you want is something focused on the classics, you could save yourself a lot of trouble by getting this catalogue, and then just asking for help here on specific minor varieties. Just a thought. |
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 15, 2019 20:17:59 GMT
That's an excellent idea #Berylliumguy ... he says as he looks over at the growing # of individual specialized catalogues  I'll see if I can find a copy (set) as I do like having multiple references (and there's still room on the bookshelf  ) |
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Post by zipper on Jun 15, 2019 22:11:48 GMT
I collect the Ceres/Napoleon issues and Nelson recommended that in addition to Y&T, I get the Dallay, Spink/Maury catalogs. All three together paint a whole picture. You'll be amazed.
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 15, 2019 23:15:11 GMT
Spink/Maury Volume 1 or 2?
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 16, 2019 1:27:14 GMT
Nevermind- I found a 2018 copy (both volumes)
on their way!
(I think I have spent more on reference material this week than stamps!... just as well
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Post by zipper on Jun 16, 2019 5:12:35 GMT
Don't forget the Dallay. It's the first that Nelson told me to get.
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 16, 2019 13:55:42 GMT
this one
Catalogue Dallay de timbres de France
by Maury
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Post by zipper on Jun 16, 2019 23:48:46 GMT
Yes
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 16, 2019 23:53:47 GMT
got it= must be a large book (s?) 4.7 lbs shipping weight
older copy, but for me that's fine!
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Post by zipper on Jun 17, 2019 1:44:54 GMT
All of them are thick books. The hardcovers have a ribbon bookmark.
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Post by dgdecker on Jun 17, 2019 2:23:11 GMT
I have ordered a NOS 1991 copy of Yvert et Tellier (in French, but translation has become very easy!) 1991 will be more than sufficient as I will likly cut off France around the end of WWII..which is where I will draw the line for much of Europe. (GB will cut off at the QE coronation) At the rate my interest in Europe is growing any focus on my US collection could be a few years away This particular stamp is headed for the cull pile Should you ever need help with French translation, do not hesitate to mask me. Most of my Europend reference books are in French. enjoy the discoveries. David |
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 18, 2019 1:52:23 GMT
I think this one is a legitimate Sc# 15 Yvert# 14A a Type 1, based on the double line curl above forehead... there is mention isn Scptt about neck shading, but examples on macrophillie.org ... i basically can't really tell the difference Scott calls out a dark blue... but lacking a reference (until my library of books in French arrive) I'm staying with this (yes/no??)  |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jun 18, 2019 18:44:30 GMT
Here are examples of Type I and Type II of the Napoléon III issues, from my 1996 Cérès catalogue. Hopefully that helps the identification.  |
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 18, 2019 20:05:03 GMT
Looks like Type 1 and only 10 shades !!! LOL
If anyone has some of these in the various shade of bleu let's see 'em!
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jun 18, 2019 20:25:22 GMT
Here are my three copies. From left to right, I have identified them as "blue on azure" (14 Ic), the standard blue (14 I), and "milky blue" (14 If). Yours might be a dark blue (scanner idiosyncracies notwithstanding).  |
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 18, 2019 20:48:37 GMT
I think mine is a dark blue- i initially thought it might be a 'modern forgery" due to the dark color, but it seems to match with all the details of the series. I have some more early France stamps coming (maybe this week? and there are some imperf Napoleon's in the lot
thanks for posting the scan!
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Post by zipper on Jun 19, 2019 22:23:19 GMT
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Post by renden on Jun 20, 2019 17:56:22 GMT
I think mine is a dark blue- i initially thought it might be a 'modern forgery" due to the dark color, but it seems to match with all the details of the series. I have some more early France stamps coming (maybe this week? and there are some imperf Napoleon's in the lot
thanks for posting the scan!
Stan ( stainlessb ) Here are 3 of my 20c scans of Empire non Dentelé Céres (Imperf) of 1854. I have used the Scott Cassic 2019 cat and compared with Maury 2017 cat. Numbers are different from catalog to catalog and I know that "scans" are what we can see but at least these 3 are different. I will use the Scott #s and Maury #s as I did through the exercise of inventory. Hope this helps you ! René btw I also have a Sc15 TII/M14 TII which I did not include Sc15/M14 T1 Bleu(blue)
 Sc15a/M14c T1 Bleu foncé (dark blue)
 Sc15b/M14a Bleu laiteux (milky blue)
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 20, 2019 20:38:58 GMT
looking at your scans, mine looks more like the milky blue
the mystery continues.....
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Post by renden on Jun 21, 2019 11:54:18 GMT
looking at your scans, mine looks more like the milky blue
the mystery continues.....
Stan Just wanted to inform our members that I received by e-mail (as you know) your scan and my opinion was a Sc 15a TI (dark blue) using both Scott Classic 2019 and Maury 2017 catalogs - keep up the good work !! René |
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 22, 2019 1:32:32 GMT
Here's another Sc# 14B Type II, neck shading, looks almost like the left edge was torn usind a striaghtedge..., bottom cut, and to and right...?... but bright blue or dull and fine or coarse impression? cancellation is Sèvres  |
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 17, 2019 1:21:53 GMT
As there is now a Ceres specific thread, I figured why not a Napoleon, as the "series" are somewhat interwoven- Here's a glance at what I acquired recently, and one of my tasks this weekend is to get all Napoleon (and Ceres) stamps into one (or more) adjacent stock sheets to help facilitate a smoother transition to beginning a focused study. Anyone with expertise, please chime in, and I can post individual scans as needed to carry the conversation forward.  Vive la France!! |
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Post by blaamand on Jul 18, 2019 10:38:12 GMT
Hi Stanley,
A great topic for a thread! As a general WW collector I won't claim any level of expertise on these, but I've been enjoying them never the less. Nice selection you've got, in particular the stripes and the superb SOTN postmark on the 4c with Laurels. First thing to consider is what catalog to use. Scott Classic is quite ok for these actually, however Muary and Yvert is obviously the to go place for in depth studies. What's your plan?
Viva la France!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 18, 2019 11:26:11 GMT
Excellent thread, Stan ( stainlessb), and glad to see Jon ( blaamand) chipping in! I am no expert in this area at all, but I do have a few stamps, so will be interested to see how the topic develops. Xavier ( hrdoktorx) is busy with family obligations at the moment, but I know that he will chime in at some point. I am not Francophone, i.e. a native French speaker, but I have studied the language for several years, and I enjoy being able to communicate in it. Were it not for that, in fact, I probably would not have met Xavier in the first place. So, please allow me one very minor request. Please write or say "Vive la France!" (long live France) rather than "viva" which I believe is Spanish. It may also be Italian, I'm not sure.... Anyway, vive la France, and I look forward to your future posts on this great topic!  |
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 18, 2019 13:24:28 GMT
VivE la France! it is!!
I have Maury Ceres & Dallay, Spink|Maury, and Yvert et Teller but will likely use Maury Ceres & Dallay as the primary reference
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