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Post by stainlessb on Jun 17, 2019 0:11:40 GMT
Scott list this as #109a but shows CV for unused only over half the series are listed similarly--- This stamp has been canceled... anyone have any additional info (I get several other references on France in the next 10 -14 days.... but I can't wait that long!) were these printed on stationery?  |
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Post by khj on Jun 17, 2019 0:37:25 GMT
Yes, your example is cut from postal stationery. Sorry, I don't have a catalog that covers postal stationery for France. If it's thick, then probably postal card. If paper is thin, then probably postal wrapper.
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 17, 2019 0:55:23 GMT
Thin (newspaper?) In the words of W. C. Fields " Ho-axed again"  |
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Post by khj on Jun 17, 2019 0:59:47 GMT
Yes, that's what I meant by "wrapper". In the good old days, depending on the country, you could either affix a newspaper stamp, or put the newspaper in a postal wrapper.
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Post by darkormex on May 10, 2020 1:02:02 GMT
I am continuing to work on France tonight and printed pages to mount the set of stamps that includes the designs referred to as Liberty, Equality, Fraternity, The Rights of Man and Liberty and Peace. The 3c Orange, Scott 111 also has a minor variety, 111a which is noted as Red rather than orange. I scanned all my copies of the stamps and present them below. I tried to display them in a rough sequence from left to right as various gradations of orange color with the final stamp, on the right, separated, because I think it is this 111a, red minor variety. What are your thoughts?  Also, it is not noted in Scott, but does anyone know if there is a gray paper variety for this stamp or series of stamps? The 3 below, to me, were distinctively different from the rest of stamps in terms of paper color. Thoughts?  |
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Post by stainlessb on May 10, 2020 1:15:28 GMT
I think the one on the far right would qualify as 111a
Muarray, Ceres & Dallay list 4 color varieties under Type 1
Yvert 109 Orange 1900
109a Red-orange
109b Bright red 1906
109c Scarlet 1907
there's also some paper types...
and Type !! only red orange
what separates Type I from II is the 3 and c (for centimes)
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Post by darkormex on May 10, 2020 1:24:27 GMT
Unfortunately it has a large swath of paper cut off the lower right of the stamp but, all the same, at least it will fill that space. I am not sure I understand what you mean about Type II and the 3 and the c. How do I differentiate?
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Post by darkormex on May 10, 2020 1:31:24 GMT
I also found this postmark interesting...at the top it looks like the word ends in...MS-RP (I doubt this means manufacturer's suggested retail price..LOL) and then there is the number 73 and at bottom, the word "periodiques" which, according to google translate means periodic as in intermittent or periodical. Could this be some sort of railway related postmark or was it simply an area of a city or a street with this name?  |
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Post by stainlessb on May 10, 2020 1:41:56 GMT
Here's for Maury, Ceres & Dallay and the 3 and c is apparently a Type !A and IB.... no information on Type II aside from only red-orange and looks to be a late issue (1930 -33), so postmark would be of importance . Anything <Jiune 1930 is a Type I (A or B)  |
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Post by darkormex on May 10, 2020 1:49:45 GMT
Thank you for your help. This era of France is tempting to me to drill down and specialize...It is tempting to get a French stamp catalogue like Maury or Yvert.
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Post by stainlessb on May 10, 2020 1:53:39 GMT
I think I have almost all the main specialized catalogues for France and IMHO Maury, Ceres & Dallay is the most comprehensive. Spink|Maury is also good an dthe two together is helpful. I didn't pay an exorbitant amount for either (compared to what the Plating the Penny Ba;ck/Blue/Reds series by Roland Brown cost!)
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Post by darkormex on May 10, 2020 1:56:01 GMT
I am now looking at the 1 centime value from the same series and the range of color variation is pretty dramatic.
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Post by renden on May 10, 2020 2:07:47 GMT
Stan stainlessbWill give it a try on those 3 centimes, tomorrow....late here René Can you e-mail me the stuff scans) so I check my Maury for you |
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Post by stainlessb on May 10, 2020 2:08:55 GMT
I will send pages first thing in the AM
Dinner time following a busy (non stampy) day
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Post by anglobob on May 10, 2020 10:04:17 GMT
darkormex ... RP is an abbreviation for Recette Principale,usually the general post office in a city.I try to look for these cancels on my French colonies stamps. Anglobob
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Post by darkormex on May 10, 2020 10:51:57 GMT
Thank you anglobob. I will continue to look out for these. I have quite a number of stamps to go through. |
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Post by stainlessb on May 10, 2020 13:54:01 GMT
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 15, 2023 21:50:10 GMT
Several years since last visitation! The 1919 - 1933 1/2 centime surcharge on the Type Blanc 1 centime stamp Yvert #157 A Type IA, IB and a Type II with two overprint 'versions", a few color variants and two types of GC paper. For now just what makes each Type The Type IA and IB differ only in the interior oval border on the right side from "SE" in FRANCAISE. The difference between the Type I's and IIs is the fold on the gown where it crosses over the oval frame below "SE" If you look at the two images below, you will notice on the inner 'frame' narrows on the IA and remains fairly equal in width. You can also see the single fold (line) coming up from the outer edge of gown at amost the same place the gown crosses outsid ethe oval frame   Below is the Type II- if one looks at the same area of the gown as above, you can see there are multiple folds in this same area (typically 2or three and sometimes just more of a blur)  below are Type IA and you see variation in the paper as well as the tone  and here are several IB  Type II has two (2) over4prints, one is 14.5 mm in height and the other is 15mm in height- below are both (14.5mm if first (2 stamps), then the 15 mm (1 stamp)   and that's how I spent my afternoon! (apologies the images didn't all scale out the same...) |
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 17, 2023 21:59:00 GMT
A completed page. I posted a draft over in DIY Pages thread, and no comments and several likes from folks I know collect France, sohoping it makes sense and I did catch a couple (more)of typos and changing formatting slightly on a couple of things- here it is (I need to find a Type IB on white paper to complete the page)  |
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 5, 2023 21:52:12 GMT
Received today #107 IB in ardoise (slate). I was hoping to perhaps find a IA and IB on the same sheet, but no such luck! ( it wasn't much cost at all)  |
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Post by stainlessb on Aug 4, 2023 20:57:31 GMT
More of what was in the auctionlot I received today Yvert 109, 3 centimes. .. As it is on GC paper it should be a Type IB. The obliterationis interesting in that it is (I believe) from the Congress of the French Parliment at the Chateau de Versailles. The date 5/7 would become in 1945 "Victory in E$urope Day"! I was mainly interested in the GC selvedge for a positive ID, getting a gutter pair is a plus, and the interesting cancellation a bonus!  and wait, there's more! #157 on GC paper, also They appear to all be 1A 14.5 mm overprint, although 1B is listed as GC paper and theyare listed as being found side by side (but not here... <sigh>  )  |
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Post by gstamps on Aug 4, 2023 23:07:15 GMT
Hi stainlessb, Stan Beautiful block of 4 on GC paper and with "millesime" 9 (year of issue 1919) which adds an increased value. |
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Post by stainlessb on Aug 4, 2023 23:34:09 GMT
Thanks Geoger1
The block of 4 GC was what attracted me to the lot. The lot includes a number of very nice items, including an almost complete mint set of Pasteur, and quite a few color variants and even a few surcharged issues I did not have, but the GC block is what i was after. One of the really surprising acquisitions of late. I did not think I would win it as bidding moved me within $3.00 of my maximum bid with more than an hour to go!
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