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Post by WERT on Apr 27, 2021 21:05:50 GMT
Here is a Scott 496 "Hook Flaw" below as a normal hook flaw in the 36cent stamp. Below that is another one i have that the hook flaw is in the label...Hoe some one else can post one. Robert
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Post by WERT on Apr 27, 2021 21:07:21 GMT
Here is my 587 tagging error.. Robert
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Post by WERT on Apr 27, 2021 21:08:15 GMT
Here is my lovely Scott 1164 tagging...Nice. Robert
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Post by WERT on Apr 27, 2021 21:09:18 GMT
Here is my Scott 1931 tagging error. Robert
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Post by FDI on Apr 27, 2021 21:47:47 GMT
Here is one more Scott 1698 tagging error...I sent it to the editor of the tagging data base, and he said it is a new find..Great, eh..?? Robert Aways a good feeling when you find a new variety!
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Post by FDI on Apr 27, 2021 21:52:43 GMT
Here is a Scott 496 "Hook Flaw" below as a normal hook flaw in the 36cent stamp. Below that is another one i have that the hook flaw is in the label...Hoe some one else can post one. Robert @wert, First time I see the hook on the label! Nice.
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Post by WERT on Apr 27, 2021 22:34:26 GMT
Ya FDI..Hope some one has another.. Robert
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Post by alanl on Apr 27, 2021 23:09:07 GMT
Here is my lovely Scott 1164 tagging error...Nice. Robert
This is not a tagging error! It`s a misperf. Tagging is in proper location.
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Post by WERT on Apr 27, 2021 23:55:13 GMT
JUST SAYING..Then again you may be right..anyways, stay safe.
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Post by khj on Apr 28, 2021 3:02:02 GMT
I believe alanl is correct regarding the perf shift and not tagging error. My understanding is that the tagging error designation is for the leftmost stamp column, where the perf shift has caused the left side of the stamp to appear to be untagged because the tagging was originally not intended to cover the selvedge. Neither stamp in the pair WERT posted are from the left-most column (i.e., both stamps in the pair are still completely tagged). I welcome any correction on this interpretation of the designation of tagging error for this stamp. Either way, the misperf pair is still very nice to have!
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Post by WERT on Apr 29, 2021 2:47:59 GMT
Hi Guys I know a bunch of you did not think my Scott 1164 was a tagging error. Mirko, the editor of the Adminware data base for tagging errors just sent me this email..It is a tagging error.
Robert
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Post by khj on Apr 29, 2021 4:22:51 GMT
OK, thanks for the update and correction WERT. But I am rather curious, why do they think it is a tagging error? I guess my question could be rephrased -- what's wrong with the tagging in that horizontal pair? I'm not trying to challenge them, just trying to understand the reasoning why it is a tagging error and not just a misperf.
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Post by brightonpete on Apr 29, 2021 11:49:49 GMT
The way I see it as well, if the perf's were in their proper place, tagging would not be an error. Misperf is how I view this stamp, the same as khj
I just don't see how tagging is in error!
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Post by khj on Apr 29, 2021 16:44:37 GMT
I understand that different circles will have different definitions or ways of using terms. That's fine with me, I don't have a problem with that. It's like the definition of "mint stamp". In some circles, mint is automatically never hinged if it was originally issued with gum, so MNH would be redundant and MH is contradictory. But if you understand what the user means by MH or MH, there's not much point in arguing over semantics, just understand where they are coming from. I just would like to understand how adminware defines a tagging error. On the other hand, I don't want WERT to feel like he's a middleman in all this. So it would be great if Robert could ask his contact over there if they are willing to join TSF and let us know their definition/reasoning behind the designation of tagging error -- again, not for the purpose of challenging but understanding their viewpoint. As an aside, consider the example of a misperf that produces a color missing error. The misperf (if uneven spaced or on a stamp near the selvedge) can result in a single stamp that has a exclusive color design element perforated over to the adjacent stamp. Since that design element is not on the stamp, then that particular color is also missing from the stamp. Dealers will often sell that as a color missing error, rather than a misperf. While I would consider that a misperf error that resulted in a color missing, most dealers would market that as a color missing error. Most catalogs also would list it as a color missing error, since even the major specialized catalogs don't list misperf errors unless it involves imperforate varieties. There is a fine line of distinction in the definition of color missing/omitted error that is used in some circles. A color omitted error is when that color is absent from the entire press sheet (e.g., ink had completely run out, sheet didn't go through that plate printing step...), whereas a color missing error is when that color is absent from part or entire press sheet (e.g., due to foldover, gunk on plate, ink slowly running out, misperf...). Technically, color missing error includes color omitted error, but the latter is due to a completely missed step. So, I can sort of "guess" how adminware sees the leftmost stamps in the corner block as a tagging error. And I'm interested in how adminware goes from misperf error (my perspective) to tagging error in the example Robert showed. Thanks Robert, for going through the trouble of asking them earlier.
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Post by brightonpete on Apr 29, 2021 17:23:41 GMT
As I see it (flogging a dead...) the stamp was not designed to be printed along the right hand side, as this pair is. It was designed to be centred within the perforations. It is printed in perfect alignment with the tagging. The perforations are skewed, not the tagging. If it was a tagging error, the tagging would have been printed over the coloured portion of the stamp. But it is not.
I still say it is a perf error. How it can be anything else is beyond me.
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Post by WERT on Apr 29, 2021 19:49:46 GMT
There has been a lot of "not sure i believe that" reply's..I have been in touch with the editor regularly updated him on new and existing tagging errors, he has a hard job ahead of him...I feel sorry about the amount of work he is about to enter into.
He is a very, very nice person to get along with...I will stop posting any more tagging/tagging errors...I don't want collectors to feel some thing is not right or true...Thanks for the reply's guys.
Stay safe..Robert
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Post by daniel on Apr 29, 2021 20:00:00 GMT
just trying to understand the reasoning why it is a tagging error and not just a misperf. But why can't it be both? Nobody is denying that the error or errors with this stamp are entirely due to the misperforation. Looking at a single stamp, there is double width tagging on the left and no tagging on the right, that is different to the normal stamp and so, looks like a tagging error to me.
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Post by brightonpete on Apr 29, 2021 20:16:26 GMT
The error is in the eye of the beholder!
Keep them coming, Robert! (WERT)
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Post by khj on Apr 29, 2021 22:45:53 GMT
As I mentioned, definitions vary in different circles. I have no interest enforcing/debating definitions, that's like making every one speak Esperanto. I was just trying to understand the reason they classified it as an error, rather than just take guesses at what they were thinking. And yes, as daniel mentioned, a stamp can have multiple errors. Also, as Daniel noted, the absence of the tagging frame on the right side can be considered by some to be an error -- corollary to the color missing error due to misperf I posted about earlier (no error in the color printing step, but the misperf can produce a color anomaly on some stamps which gets called by dealers/catalogs a color missing error). I guess I was just wondering aloud whether the cut-off tagging frame was the specific reason, or was there something else that I was missing (no pun intended).
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Post by WERT on Apr 30, 2021 0:27:08 GMT
Thanks brightonpe...Here is another tagging error Scott 1927 "48c multicoloured Stylized Maple Leaf". Tagging error T2 G4aR,
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Post by FDI on May 1, 2021 14:07:50 GMT
Unitrade #1165 - Houses of Parliament & Unitrade #2011 - Flag over Edmonton, AB This is a very interesting debate. Personnaly, when I invest in a Tag error I will favor a well centered stamp with a clear Tag shift like #2011. Those are the ones I prefer. On the other hand, a drastic misperf like #1165 will create an interesting Tag variation, but in my case I would classified this one as a misperf with a Tag variant. Thanks to Robin Harris for maintaining this "Tagging Error Database" on his web site. This is a valuable tool for all of us. FD
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Post by renden on May 1, 2021 14:27:45 GMT
There has been a lot of "not sure i believe that" reply's..I have been in touch with the editor regularly updated him on new and existing tagging errors, he has a hard job ahead of him...I feel sorry about the amount of work he is about to enter into. He is a very, very nice person to get along with...I will stop posting any more tagging/tagging errors...I don't want collectors to feel some thing is not right or true...Thanks for the reply's guys. Stay safe..Robert I do not agree, Robert - keep posting - members should consult our Canadian Specialized Cat Unitrade and notice that info exists and new varieties do appear from Robert's efforts - He is a contributor to UNIRADE, if you do not know already René
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Post by WERT on May 1, 2021 15:18:55 GMT
FDI..I would sent off your Scott 1165 to the editor Mirko of the Adminware Data Base and see what he thinks..Great stamp pair. Robert adminware.ca/tagging/index.php
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Post by FDI on Sept 10, 2021 11:27:10 GMT
Canada Picture Postage #2586a I was given a booklet of the reference stamps by my son who use to work at MDA Canada. The stamps are showing the RADARSAT which was the first commercial used satellite ever. In such a very interesting booklet but what got my attention is the pinkish tagging agent. I had never seen this color on Canadian stamps. Is this unique to the "Picture Postage" stamps? Have any one seen this on other stamps? FDI Mystery solved! When Lowe Martin took over picture postage in 2012, they went with a pinkish tagging. (They still use yellow/green for regular Canada post issued stamps). However, some picture postage stamps exist with the yellow/green tagging. These would be the oddities. The hunt is on to find one! FD
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Post by WERT on Sept 13, 2021 1:43:58 GMT
Here is a 1994 Russia stamp that has tagging on it that i had not noticed before... Robert
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Post by FDI on Sept 26, 2022 16:55:59 GMT
I've been adding a lot of material into my Tagging errors collection and will present additional items in the next few weeks. But for today, I would like to show you on of my latest addition which I wasn't sure where to put it as it has many variants. Found in Unitrade catalogue, this is Canada 1187a from BK96b. This booklet pane has many errors all on the same pane. 1) Extra perforation at top of pane 2) Left green band is missing 3) Extra Tag line at top of pane 4) Many print crease across the pane 5) Tagging on the 37c is overlapping on label (none of my other booklets are showing this) So as you can see, very interesting item. Does anyone have more info on what is causing the print creases on the pane?
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Post by stanley64 on Aug 31, 2023 9:26:40 GMT
A bit of fluorescence fun,
These two stamps, both issued by Canada Post for their young wildlife definitive series 2011-2014, have general tagging along all edges of stamp (GT4), but upon examination under the UV lamp, there is a bit of a surprise related to the animal depicted. In reviewing the different catalogue entries or even Canada Post's announcements, I can find no mention of the 'hidden' track in the snow.
I have spotted others in subsequent issues, can you find them...
Grab your lamps and happy collecting!
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