rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jan 27, 2015 10:18:07 GMT
I had no idea the Australians was involved in the US Civil War? Fascinating!! THANK YOU!! Technically yes, from the small amount I have read, I wonder if the men were politically motivated or just "men of fortune" I feel the latter.
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Post by jamesw on Jan 28, 2015 3:46:34 GMT
Now, Jeff! There you go making me blush again (or maybe the furnace has just come on?) And I think you do know what I look like, didn't we all post our pictures here once (or was that on SCF?) Anyways, you said you thought I'd be older. Some days I feel like it, that's fer shur! Ahh! here it is. The thread from right here with some of our beautiful mugs....and mine, which is about half way down the first page. thestampforum.boards.net/thread/220/
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Post by I.L.S. on Jan 29, 2015 9:29:01 GMT
Yeah I remember that! honestly I thought you was a little old bald guy for some reason? lol (Not really) I just didn't realize you was around my age! Very cool.
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Post by jamesw on Jan 30, 2015 3:42:46 GMT
Two out of three.
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I.L.S.
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Post by I.L.S. on Jan 31, 2015 9:14:16 GMT
I'm happy today. No particular reason, had chemo yesterday, Neulasta shot today, feel like crap BUT I'm in a good mood anyway. Maybe I'll start scanning my February covers now? Anyway GOOD MORNING!!
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Mar 13, 2015 10:22:16 GMT
Some of Londonbus1's "McIntosh Reproductions" turned up this week in a lot.
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zipper
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Post by zipper on Mar 13, 2015 11:33:53 GMT
Real or not?
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Mar 13, 2015 19:58:56 GMT
Forgeries, Facsimiles, Reproductions abound. One would be very fortunate to come across genuine, in packets. Assume one of the above, and read extensively on the issues. Pop over to our member "Classical Stamps" link, for forgery ID. He most probably has CSA issues.
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zipper
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Post by zipper on Mar 13, 2015 21:27:17 GMT
Actually, these weren't from a packet. I just put them all together.
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Post by jamesw on Mar 26, 2016 20:02:58 GMT
thought it best to add this to this tread. Continuity and all that. Used CSA#7 on piece. Location of postmark may be impossible to determine (do I detect and A and maybe a G?) but still nice to see a cancel that looks legit.
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Post by jamesw on Mar 27, 2016 19:15:05 GMT
A member on SCF has pointed out to me the filled in border on the bottom of this stamp. Anything like this makes one wonder if a Confederate stamp is legit. Personally I think it's just due to over inking. This stamp does seem rather heavy in the ink, and the later #7s were notorious for printing flaws partially due to poor quality paper, and also due to the relative inexperience of the printers in Richmond.
John Kimbrough writes about this issue on his website, 'The Richmond printings tend to have plate flaws again due to the inexperience and the inferior inks and equipment. Often the flaws are quite pronounced and easily seen. Usually the flaws are manifested only by dark dots best seen on the forehead of the portrait. These flaws can be caused by variations in the inking of the plate, dirt or debris on the plate at the time of printing, damage to the plate, or a number of other reasons. The De La Rue London printings (CSA #6) do not have noticeable flaws.'
Your opinions would be welcome.
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Post by jamesw on Jan 20, 2018 3:43:40 GMT
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jan 20, 2018 4:40:08 GMT
Nice find, James! And it looks like it was postmarked on 4th of July, of all dates....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 14:42:54 GMT
Where were all these HIGH ROLLERS when I sold on eBay 20 years ago?? $1500 potential bid on a blurry image with no competent cert?? Makes the statement "More Money Than Brains" appropriate Above, the eBay offer and a very rare original. Note on the eBay item that the frame line does not continue to the adjoining stamp - the excellent Springfield forgery has this same issue as do altered Type I's that have the plate flaw but no frames. The eBay might be a corner one, I do not have info on how the frame line looks but good chance it continues. Also the genuines I believe usually or always have a plate flaw above the N which is conveniently hidden by the postmark and on magnification the line appears unbroken?? At least it is better than this Torres fake which has actually appeared on auction Why does someone put up a $1900 stamp for a $0.01 start bid. Do they know the feeding frenzy will eventually set in?? Anyway, Caveat Emptor on this eBay special.
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Post by jamesw on Jan 20, 2018 17:21:03 GMT
Oh, ye of little faith, falschung. And I have one of those as well... ...though I've never heard it described as a Torres. Is that the 'artist'? Placido Ramon de Torres? Got mine from a seller on eBay who was offing it as real, until I sent him a message to correct. Then bought it off him for a couple of bucks. No, I have no shame. On another note, picked up a nice little collection of CSA stamps on eBay this morning, which includes whats referred to in Dietz as 'toothless old man' fake of Mr Davis. I'll show him off when he arrives!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 18:35:07 GMT
...though I've never heard it described as a Torres. Is that the 'artist'? Placido Ramon de Torres? Placido Torres was a major illustrator of period catalogs He published an extensive WW catalog with prices for his creations some of which are decent and some are just caricatures. It almost seems he made these on purpose. The item you show has been credited to Scott or Taylor but I really doubt Scott was involved as his catalog and packet business were doing very well. Taylor might of made them but proof is lacking and he was big into bogus issues. The one you have I believe did show up in a Scott catalog in 1894. It may have originated with Torres and been forged by the Spiros. Spiros made decent forgeries and many really crude ones All were involved in this trade together so no one can definitely say who is the originator. In Europe such as Spain, it is fairly easy to determine who made the stamp, in the US not so simple. Here is one from Moschkau - another cataloger of that period
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Post by jamesw on Feb 1, 2018 2:32:32 GMT
As mentioned above, I recently won a small collection of CSA stamps, which included one obvious forgery Here they are! #2, #4 stone 2, #7 Richmond printing on local paper, #8 three #11 (one early Archer & Dale printing and two later Keating & Ball, #12 Keatinge & Ball printing On the bottom row, #14 unissued, 3 New York forgeries and a #11 forgery referred to in Dietz as 'toothless old man' The New York forgeries, created by altering the 10¢ Altered plate, can be discerned by the short horizontal middle strokes on the F and E in FIVE, and also, I've notice in all I've ever seen a small dot to the upper right of the upper left six pointed star. The white circles in those stars are also smaller than the genuine. Also, according to Kimbrough, the #11 was never printed in this green colour. Who'd a thought I'd be so happy to get so many fake stamps!
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Post by ronbreznay on Jun 2, 2018 15:30:03 GMT
I just got into collecting Confederate States stamps last year, so my collection is still small (9 stamps, 1 cover, and a set of the Springfield facsimiles).
I had never paid much attention to CSA stamps as they seemed to be an afterthought in albums, with one page with 14 spaces. But once I started reading about the stamps and postal history, I was hooked. I bought the album pages put together by John Kimbrough and Conrad Bush, which I really like even though I may never fill all the spaces.
This is my latest acquisition.
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Post by ronbreznay on Jun 2, 2018 15:39:00 GMT
The only Confederate States cover in my collection. Stamp: 10¢ blue Jefferson Davis, Scott CSA 12a (milky blue variety), Archer & Daly printing, Type II, EKU: May 1, 1863. Postage rate at the time: 10¢ per half ounce. Cancellation: Richmond, Va., June 26 [1863]. Addressee: Judge Thos. Ruffin, Graham, Alamance County, NC. Back markings: Apparently no period markings on the back. Envelope: Per dealer, this is a homemade envelope. Contents of cover: None. Thomas Ruffin was Chief Justice of the North Carolina Supreme Court from 1833 to 1852. He then retired to his plantation, the Hermitage, which was near Graham in Alamance County, NC. He was recalled to serve as Chief Justice again from 1858 to 1859. Ruffin had a distinguished career on the North Carolina Supreme Court and was regarded by Roscoe Pound, dean of Harvard Law School, as one of the ten foremost jurists in the United States. Judge Ruffin was a North Carolina delegate to the Washington Peace Conference in February 1861, which worked to effect a compromise between North and South. Ruffin was an ardent Unionist and sought to avert war through compromise, but the peace conference did not succeed. Ruffin was elected to the Secession Convention in Raleigh in May 1861, where he proposed a compromise that allowed secession. He then supported the Confederate cause and went to Richmond to arrange with the Confederate government to accept state troops and volunteers. After the war, he renewed his allegiance to the United States and was pardoned by President Andrew Johnson.
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Post by ronbreznay on Jun 9, 2018 15:18:14 GMT
There weren’t very many Confederate stamps issued, but the exact number depends on who is counting. The Scott catalog lists 14 stamps, along with a number of varieties for most of them. John Kimbrough says there are 17 stamps as he considers three of the Scott varieties to be separate stamps. August Dietz claimed 18 stamps, counting one more variety as a separate stamp. The Confederate States of America Catalog and Handbook lists 25 stamps. Regardless, there are a total of about 60 major stamps and their varieties (the varieties are mainly shades of color).
Because of this disparity among the catalog numbers, Confederate stamps are often referred to by description, such as “The Five-Cent Green Jefferson Davis Lithograph.” Sometimes a qualifier is added to this, such as “The Ten-Cent Blue Jefferson Davis, Type I, Archer & Daly Printing.”
I put together this chart showing the various stamps along with the Scott catalog number and the stamps that John Kimbrough and August Dietz consider to be separate stamps, but I couldn't get it to paste here. If anyone wants it, I will be glad to email it to you, or you can see it at the Facebook group page of the Wyoming Valley Stamp Club.
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Post by ronbreznay on Jun 9, 2018 15:45:16 GMT
When I was reading an old article about Confederate States stamps, I saw a reference to the frameline stamp as Scott 209. I figured Scott probably changed the numbering since then, so I checked this out. In older Scott catalogs, CSA numbering started with 1 for the postmaster’s provisionals, which went up to 145. General issues were numbered 200 through 213, as follows:
Old No. New No. Description 200 1 5c Green Lithograph 201 2 10c Blue Lithograph 202 3 2c Green Lithograph 203 4 5c Blue Lithograph 204 5 10c Rose Lithograph 205 6 5c Blue Typograph, London printing 206 7 5c Blue Typograph, Local printing 207 8 2c Brown-Red Engraved 208 9 10c Blue Engraved T-E-N 209 10 10c Blue Engraved Frame Line 210 11 10c Blue Engraved, Type I 211 12 10c Blue Engraved, Type II 212 13 20c Green Engraved 213 14 1c Orange Typograph, London printing – never issued
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Post by jamesw on Jun 10, 2018 0:20:35 GMT
They have Thomas Jefferson listed as James Madison. Interesting
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Post by ronbreznay on Feb 28, 2020 2:05:53 GMT
I got a new Confederate States cover, but it's from Guernsey. One of the stamps pictures the Confederate States stamp that was engraved and printed in London by De La Rue.
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guyana1230
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Post by guyana1230 on Feb 28, 2020 8:03:16 GMT
My Springfield facsimiles;
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Post by guyana1230 on Feb 28, 2020 8:05:00 GMT
Unknown Facsimiles;
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Post by stainlessb on May 25, 2023 21:29:29 GMT
here's some activity for a thread that has sat idle for some time. While looking through some boxes of loose US for stamps (and in no particular order) for a friend (and something else entirely... stamps, not the friend!!! ), I pulled these out. My assumption is probably forgeries, and I do remember when first starting getting a 'set" of CSA stamp facsimiles (which was printed on the back). I looked for a watermark (not if there ever was one on the originals. Ideas?
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