banknoteguy
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What I collect: 19th Century US, High denomination US (> $1), 19th century covers US, Indian Feudatory States and most recently I acquired a BigBlue [with about 5,000 stamps] and pristine pages.
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Post by banknoteguy on Feb 16, 2023 20:57:49 GMT
I believe this is a cover from what is now Saxony from the 1860s. But I could be wrong on both counts. What can you tell me about this cover? Condition seems quite nice for a cover of this age -- stamp seems very nice also.
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hdm1950
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What I collect: I collect world wide up to 1965 with several specialty albums added due to volume of material I have acquired. At this point I am focused on Canada and British America. I am always on the lookout for stamps and covers with postmarks from communities in Queens County, Nova Scotia. I do list various goods including stamps occasionally on eBay as hdm50
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Post by hdm1950 on Feb 16, 2023 21:26:07 GMT
You appear to be correct. Riesa is a city is the Saxony area. If I am reading the Riesa cancel the date is December 9, 1864. I see another cover from that era on eBay. The stamp on covers appear much paler than my used example. Mine could possibly be a forgery.
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 16, 2023 21:27:07 GMT
Thanks for your post, Jack ( banknoteguy). This is not my area of expertise at all, but I observe that as the stamp is from Saxony and the rectangular postmark is from Riesa, which is a town in Saxony, I think that your suggestion that the cover originated in Saxony is pretty solid. I would also think that the "64" indicated in the rectangular postmark could also mean the year 1864, but I have not done any research into this type of postmark to confirm that. I am trying to decipher the handwritten address, but I only have bits and pieces so far. I will let you know if I can get anything informative. |
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Feb 16, 2023 23:24:42 GMT
The numeral cancel”80” does correspond to that allocated to the town of Riesa in Sachsen / Saxony .between 1861 and 1871. The 1 Neu Groschen from 1863 should be red ,so I think the stamp here is sun faded and has lost a bit of colour, but it fits with Beryllium Guy’s date of 1864 . All I can make of the address is minor nobility. ……Heinrich von Nitzschwitz …..By Rochlitz I think the top line is probably the usual kind of introductory salutation “….? …wohlgeboren”. Used for semi nobility …. “…..Well born” ( but not noble born) |
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hdm1950
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What I collect: I collect world wide up to 1965 with several specialty albums added due to volume of material I have acquired. At this point I am focused on Canada and British America. I am always on the lookout for stamps and covers with postmarks from communities in Queens County, Nova Scotia. I do list various goods including stamps occasionally on eBay as hdm50
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Post by hdm1950 on Feb 16, 2023 23:45:31 GMT
The numeral cancel”80” does correspond to that allocated to the town of Riesa in Sachsen / Saxony .between 1861 and 1871. The 1 Neu Groschen from 1863 should be red ,so I think the stamp here is sun faded and has lost a bit of colour, but it fits with Beryllium Guy ’s date of 1864 . All I can make of the address is minor nobility. ……Heinrich von Nitzschwitz …..By Rochlitz I think the top line is probably the usual kind of introductory salutation “….? …wohlgeboren”. Used for semi nobility …. “…..Well born” ( but not noble born) The fading is extreme based on my somewhat rough used copy. The other cover I saw on line with a 1 Neu Greschen is just as faded. Possibly specialized catalogues recognize shade variations. As you can see my copy is at the other end of the spectrum.  |
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stainlessb
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What I collect: currently focused on most of western Europe, much of which is spent on France, Belgium, Germany and Great Britain Queen Victoria
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 17, 2023 0:31:56 GMT
for comparison, here are my examples. I've turned the brightness down so the embossed emblem shows  |
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cara
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What I collect: Germany (FRG, GDR, Berlin); occupied Germany 1945-1949, Deutsches Reich 1872-1945, Switzerland, USA (newbie)
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Post by cara on Feb 18, 2023 14:15:40 GMT
I believe the text on the cover is:
An hochwohlgeboren
Herrn Heinrich von Nitzschwitz
? zu
Königsfeld
bei Rochlitz
Riesa, Königsfeld and Rochlitz are all smaller cities located in Saxonia between Leipzig and Dresden.
Georg Heinrich von Nitzschwitz came from the noble family of Nitzschwitz, whose ancestral seat was Nischwitz and belonged to the Saxon aristocracy. He was appointed to „Amtshauptmann“ (can not find a good tranlation) by „August dem Starken“ (King of Polonia and Kurfürst of Saxonia). (from Wikipedia)
An "Amtshauptmann" had to perform tasks in the judiciary, in financial administration and taxation, and more rarely in national defense.
In my postmark-catalogue this numeral cancel exists at that time only in Riesa.
Great cover to an important person at that time. Interesting would also be the sender.
cara
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Feb 18, 2023 16:10:16 GMT
Thanks cara that gothic script capital “H” which looks like the letter “G” had me foxed . I worked out the …..wohlgeboren but could not get Hoch or Herrn out of that script |
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