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Post by uppercanadian on Apr 15, 2023 3:47:44 GMT
Hello Everyone, I am hoping someone can help me out here. I do have the Michel Germany Specialized, but it is quite old and all in German. I try to type out what is written in Google Translate but there are pages of information on this issue, so I am reaching out to my friends here. I picked this up on Ebay only as it was ticking down on its last few seconds - so I had no time to register the fact that the Overprint of the Post Horn Band was vertical, when in fact it should be horizontal. Here is the small lot I bought.  Here is a image of one of the stamps to clearly see the overprint  I know that this set is rife with forgeries. The stamps are all Mint Never Hinged. There is a very small name on the back of each stamp - "Schlegel A BPP". I am wondering if these are listed in Michel and if they appear legitimate, or are as I assume, a forgery. Thank you for your help in this matter! Brad
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khj
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Post by khj on Apr 15, 2023 5:13:13 GMT
Other Michel users, feel free to correct me, but first for your general info:
The "ribbon" overprint has suffix "I"
Vertical overprint varieties exist for this overprint. In Michel, they have the suffix "S" for single vertical overprint, "SD" for double vertical overprint, and other combinations...
So, for example: 36 I S
The key to finding your overprints, is recognizing that the 1pf was not normally issued with the overprint. You have to look in the section that lists the unauthorized but postally accepted overprints. It is in the section between Michel 68 and Michel 69 of the American/British Zones, that starts off as "1948 Juni/Aug..."
Your stamps, if genuine, would be 1pf = I/I S 3pf = II/I S 4pf = III/I S 5pf = IV/I S 6pf = V/I S 20pf = VI/I S 42pf = VII/I S 60pf = VIII/I S 84pf = IX/I S
Here's the problem. Michel only lists the 3pf and 5pf as coming with single vertical ribbon overprint variety. That, to me, is a warning sign. But my Michel is 2015. Maybe new discoveries? I'll post a catalog snipped a later.
I didn't check to see if your overprint matches the various known genuine overprints.
Interested in hearing what others more experience with Michel and better versed with Germany have to say... open to correction.
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Post by khj on Apr 15, 2023 5:50:13 GMT
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Post by hrdoktorx on Apr 15, 2023 8:25:01 GMT
My AFA catalog does list the vertical overprints, as "unofficial overprints" and lists the stamps shown as R-I to R-IX.
I expect the "Schlegel A BPP" marking is the signature of a stamp authenticator. But these can be forged too.
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Post by gstamps on Apr 15, 2023 8:37:41 GMT
And in the Michel Specialized 2019 catalog there is the same information as that provided by khj. Forgery overprints are made in offset or on a computer printer (I don't know for sure, but I think there are also typo) The first method to identify overprint forgeries is to identify the printing method. I have some examples from the "stampsx.com" website and some of the comments/explanations: < The scan in the picture above is by no means blurred. Offset printing is blurred!>   < In the picture a real overprint in typo. This is field 76 of a Kassel print with the variety "Kassel notch". >  In typo printing, due to the pressure exerted, the ink is oriented outwards and those darker straight edges appear (see the arrows added by me) At forgery overprint, these edges are diffuse or with small dots. Your image is not at a sufficient resolution to appreciate the type of print (or my eyes are not good enough) It would be interesting to post the Schlegel BPP mark as well. I still haven't managed to understand all the drawing clues that can differentiate genuine from overprint, but with the reservation of being wrong: - the postal horns do not have to be identical - the tips of the thunderbolts are pointed/triangular, not rounded.
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Post by uppercanadian on Apr 17, 2023 1:21:28 GMT
Thank you everyone! I am so grateful for your help in this.
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