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Post by rod222 on Oct 9, 2013 8:24:33 GMT
From the "unloved box", a quick wash (cold water), into the stamp press for 14 days (sandwich dryer), and under the scanner. Only worth a few pennies, but I like 'em. 1893 -1900 Sundry Simon Bolivar Correos = Foreign Postage Instruccion = Inland Postage Thick paper = Reprints. The 25c overprint with signature "Castro"
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Post by Zuzu on Oct 9, 2013 14:27:39 GMT
There's a lot going on with that last one, but rather than detract from the aesthetics, it's quite striking!
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Post by rod222 on Oct 10, 2013 9:14:24 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Oct 11, 2013 19:41:12 GMT
Venezuela Tuberculosis Seals Venezuela began using seals in 1942, as a vehicle to bring attention to this dreadful disease. The last seal here in 1982 shows a man painting a picture of the first seal they issued, on a wall.
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Post by Jerry B on Oct 12, 2013 11:07:23 GMT
Hi Rodney
Do you have any Colombia seals? If not,I believe I have extras and I can send them to you. By the way, how did you get such a nice image of the overprint? Is it possible that I can get a copy of the image by e-mail?
Also, stamps 2,3 and 4 are Escuelas.
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Post by rod222 on Oct 12, 2013 12:00:07 GMT
Hi Jerry, I swear, you IT guys have a different DNA than us mere mortals, Your IT code is never intuitive, and I hardly ever understand you lot For example "Also, stamps 2,3 and 4 are Escuelas". ? What the? Also why don't you just download my image? Is this size any good ? Does size matter ? (we don't have an emoticon to give a wink Bah!) If you want larger, please ask, and I'll rescan.
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Post by Jerry B on Oct 12, 2013 23:29:43 GMT
Hi Rodney
First off I am an Engineer not IT.
In your initial post. Stamps 2 and 3 in Row 1 are Escuelas and Stamp 1 in Row 2 is an Escuelas
Doh!!! I told you I am an engineer, we tend to make some things harder than they should be. The size is more than adequate.
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Post by rod222 on Oct 13, 2013 0:53:43 GMT
OK, let's try again.....
What is an Escuelas? and why was it worth mentioning? Try to imagine I know nothing about Venezuela stamps.
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Post by Jerry B on Oct 13, 2013 9:13:19 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Oct 13, 2013 13:15:27 GMT
Well thanks for the slant on your post Jerry, but frankly, I am none the wiser, I thought you may have had a definitive knowledge. I transferred over to Scott, and posted their numbers, without using the colours of the stamps that were not used postally after 1895, If they deem they are suited to inclusion, I was going with them. As for the whether they are or not, escuelas then thats for someone else to decide.
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Post by Jerry B on Oct 14, 2013 9:17:22 GMT
Hi Rodney The only knowledge I have is what everyone has and that is they were issued to raise money for education (Instruccion). Some were used for postage when regular stamps ran out. There really is not a whole lot to say on this particular series. With the earlier issues, marked Escuelas (Schools), it is totally different with variations, forgeries etc.. For more Venezuela see: ASOFILCA: www.asofilca.com/Listed below is the Minkus listing for the Bolivar stamps (1980 prices). The Blanco specialized Venezuela catalog also prices proofs and additional inverted overprints for the 1901 issue overprinted Resellada/RTM. June 1893 Engraved American Bank Note Co Perf 12
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R88 | 5c slate | 15 | 6 | R89 | 10c deep green | 12 | 8 | R90 | 25c dark blue | 12 | 6 | R91 | 50c yellow orange | 15 | 8 | R92 | 1b maroon | 45 | 6 | R93 | 3b red | 80 | 30 | R94 | 10b deep violet | 1.35 | 1.10 | R95 | 20b red brown | 4.00 | 3.25 |
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| R97 | 10c deep green | 5 | 5 |
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| R98 | 25c dark blue | 5 | 5 | 3.00 | 3.00 | R99 | 50c yellow orange | 5 | 5 | 3.00 | 3.00 | R100 | 1b maroon | 5 | 5 | 2.00 | 2.00 | R101 | 3b red | 20 | 10 | 5.00 | 5.00 | R102 | 10b deep violet | 35 | 35 |
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| R103 | 20b red brown | 80 | 50 |
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R104 | 5c orange | 5 | 5 | R105 | 10c blue | 10 | 5 | R106 | 25c plum | 10 | 5 | R107 | 50c yellow green | 35 | 10 | R108 | 1b gray black | 2.40 | 20 | R109 | 3b red brown | 1.00 | 60 | R110 | 10b vermilion | 8.00 | 1.00 | R111 | 20b deep violet | 10.00 | 2.50 |
R113 | 5c orange | 5 | 5 | R114 | 10c vermilion | 5 | 5 | R115 | 10c blue | 5 | 5 | R116 | 25c prussian blue | 5 | 5 | R117 | 50c yellow green | 5 | 5 | R118 | 1b gray black | 4.00 | 1.20 | R119 | 3b red brown | 5 | 5 | R120 | 10b vermilion | 20 | 20 | R121 | 20b deep violet | 30 | 30 |
As one can see some of these issues are a little pricey.
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Post by rod222 on Oct 14, 2013 11:14:47 GMT
You have some great lists, Jerry, thanks for sharing this one. Don't appear too pricey for my wallet, banking on getting them at 35% of catalogue which I do, condition may vary, I am not so pedantic about mint unhinged for my subsidiary collections. Nice work.
I lost all my US auctions this week on Brazil,prices just a smidge above what I was prepared to pay.
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Post by Jerry B on Oct 14, 2013 13:22:23 GMT
Hi Rodney What is neat on this board is that "Table" actually works A few features that would be nice but it does work. Jerry B
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Post by rod222 on Dec 28, 2013 8:15:12 GMT
I am still struggling with these blighters,
Question 1 Scott- If a grouping is listed "ENGR" then the next grouping mute one assumes the second grouping is mutual (engraved) right?
OK. I have 5c grey intruccion Litho? I have 5c engraved orange
I assume by your list the 5c orange is the 1901 engraved issue but the 5c grey lithographed? I cannot see any reference.
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Post by Jerry B on Dec 28, 2013 9:29:05 GMT
Hi Rodney
Question 1 Scott- If a grouping is listed "ENGR" then the next grouping mute one assumes the second grouping is mutual (engraved) right?
That is correct. In the Scott catalogs if a Watermark, Perforation or Print Type (engr, photo, litho, etc.) is missing then go backwards to the first previous entry that has a Watermark, Perforation or Print Type and that is what one uses for the item you are interested in. On occasion I have had to go back 1 or 2 pages. Unless Scott changes their mind this is the rule.
OK. I have 5c grey intruccion Litho? I have 5c engraved orange
I assume by your list the 5c orange is the 1901 engraved issue Correct
but the 5c grey lithographed? I cannot see any reference. It is probably the 1893 5c slate( Blanco & Scott gray). Minkus says it is engraved, Scott 1948 says engraved, Blanco says nothing. Are you positive it is lithographed? If so I will try to dig some more.
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Post by rod222 on Dec 28, 2013 9:41:33 GMT
Fantastic Jerry! immediate answers, you gotta like that! Yes, I am worried I cannot identify Litho v Recess. Look at the top post, and my first stamp. 25c magenta. As far as I am concerned that is not recess either, so it is pointing towards me being at fault. (no litho example listed either) The image is flat as a pancake with no raised ink, as seen in recess.
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Post by Jerry B on Dec 28, 2013 11:28:15 GMT
Hi Rodney
I cannot feel "raised ink" on any of mine. I looked at Stanley Gibbons and Michel and they both say engraved.
I have to assume that all the catalogs cannot all be wrong so I have to bite the bullet and say they are engraved.
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Post by rod222 on Dec 28, 2013 12:00:23 GMT
Fair comment Jerry. It shall remain unresolved until someone tells me to my face Recess printing, besides the feel, is most ably identified under a loupe, actually, I just love seeing recess stamps under magnification, one can see the little mounds of ink separate from the paper, it's just beautiful. I'll probably carry those stamps in my wallet till I go to a stamp bourse or fair, and get someone to utterly embarass me probably
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Post by Jerry B on Dec 28, 2013 16:16:40 GMT
Hi Rodney I use 2 linen testers, one 10x and one 20x. They show recess, or engraved, nicely. Someone I knew used the eyepiece from a Norden bomb sight. That is ultimate flyspecking but as he was a member of an expertizing service that magnification was needed.
I also tried to find some info on ASOFILCA but couldn't find very much.
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Post by rod222 on Dec 28, 2013 21:10:16 GMT
"Someone I knew used the eyepiece from a Norden bomb sight." Right! it's off to ebay for a Norden bomb sighter. Those stamps in question also fail the subsidiary test of faint impressions on the reverse, from the die, although this is not a fail safe method.
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Post by Jerry B on Dec 28, 2013 22:30:26 GMT
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Post by rod222 on May 5, 2014 0:19:30 GMT
Venezuela Instruccion Issues Mentioned briefly in Scott.
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Post by antoniusra on May 5, 2014 18:39:02 GMT
For the record, below is the King of the Escuelas, the 1880 25B. Only 33 known examples of this stamp makes it the crown in my Venezuela collection. Used $500.00 unused $5,000. I picked it up in a lot with several others for around $65.00 a few years ago. I had a friend of mine who is an expert in these have a look at it and he assured me it was good. As fate would have it Venezuela is my showing of the day and you can see all of the Escuela issues used for postage there. These stamps were rather crude but there is only one forgery known. It is a 5c Yellow stamp which can be seen on page three, first stamp in the third row. It is actually a better executed design than the originals. The reason this value was forged is because it was used on cigarette packages and was very popular with the bootleggers.
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Post by rod222 on May 5, 2014 21:42:20 GMT
Venezuela Orchids CV $25 Used $9 5c Oncidium Papilio Lindl. 10c, Caularthron bilamellatum. 20c, Stanhopea Wardii Lodd. 25c, Catasetum pileatum. 30c, Masdevallia tovarensis. 35c, Epidendrum Stamfordianum Batem, 50c, Epidendrum atropurpureum Willd. 3b, Oncidium falcipetalum Lindl. Aero 5c, Oncidium volvox. 20c, Cycnoches chlorochilon. 25c, Cattleya Gaskelliana. 30c, Epidendrum difforme, 40c,Catasetum callosum Lindl, 50c, Oncidium bicolor Lindl. 1b, Brassavola nodosa Lindl, 1.05b, Epidendrum lividum Lindl. 1.50b, Schomburgkia undulata Lindl. 2b, Oncidium zebrinum.
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Post by Zuzu on May 6, 2014 2:20:55 GMT
Oh my goodness, those orchids issues are gorgeous!
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Post by rod222 on May 6, 2014 12:02:11 GMT
Yes Zuzu, not long before the local wild orchids appear in our neck of the woods, shall be cycling in the hills to go lookeesee. Venezuela Maps on Stamps (with gaps)
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Post by rod222 on May 7, 2014 2:57:43 GMT
Venezuela Flags on Stamps. There are 192 Flags of the world, The Americas have 27 of them........... Left to Right, Top to bottom 45 flags (the same) on each stamp. Argentina Barbados Bolivia Brazil Canada Colombia Venezuela Venezuela Venezuela Costa Rica Cuba Venezuela Venezuela Venezuela Chile Dominican Republic Venezuela Venezuela Venezuela Ecuador United States Venezuela Venezuela Venezuela Guatamala Guyana Venezuela Venezuela Venezuela Haiti Honduras Venezuela Venezuela Venezuela Jamaica Honduras Nicaragua Venezuela Panama Paraguay Peru El Salvador Trinidad and Tobago Uruguay Venezuela
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Post by rod222 on Jun 26, 2014 23:27:11 GMT
Venezuela Unlisted 1900-1903 Saint Valentine's Day Covers Author : Monty Wedd Australia
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Post by Jen B on Jun 27, 2014 1:19:15 GMT
Venezuela Unlisted 1900-1903 Nice page. I was going to ask you if you knew why these were unlisted. Then thought to myself, "Oh, stop being so lazy and look it up yourself." So I looked in Scott's Classic Specialized (my only reference) and it only said that stamps of the 1893 issue in different colors than those listed for 1893 were printed after 1895. It also says that after July 1, 1895, stamps inscribed "Escuelas" (for external postage) or "Instruccion" (for internal postage and revenue) were no longer available for postage. So I'm guessing that may be the reason. But why then print these stamps and overprint them with 1900, if they weren't valid for postage after 1895? So I still don't know and now I'm going to be lazy and ask if you know about these, instead of searching on the internet.
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Post by rod222 on Jun 27, 2014 2:19:47 GMT
Nice page. I was going to ask you if you knew why these were unlisted. Then thought to myself, "Oh, stop being so lazy and look it up yourself." So I looked in Scott's Classic Specialized (my only reference) and it only said that stamps of the 1893 issue in different colors than those listed for 1893 were printed after 1895. It also says that after July 1, 1895, stamps inscribed "Escuelas" (for external postage) or "Instruccion" (for internal postage and revenue) were no longer available for postage. So I'm guessing that may be the reason. But why then print these stamps and overprint them with 1900, if they weren't valid for postage after 1895? So I still don't know and now I'm going to be lazy and ask if you know about these, instead of searching on the internet. Thanks Jen. These stamps have been a head scratcher for collectors for years and years. No official documentation survives to determine their actual usage. My pages are simply to put them in some sort of semblance of order, for newer collectors. Queries on these come up constantly. The stamps were printed, according to some (Yvert French Catalogue) as Revenues / postage, and the Witt collection shows some with Postal strikes. Basically though, I guess one assumes they were printed originally primarily for Revenue purposes.
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