rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jul 26, 2014 22:39:33 GMT
Romania 1960
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Feb 15, 2016 22:47:29 GMT
Romania 1951 CTO (Cancelled to Order) 1951 Bicycle Tour of Romania Scott #782a tete-beche pair CV $7
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Post by tridentcrazy on Feb 12, 2017 18:15:59 GMT
amazing nicely done!
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Post by billfromlachine on Jan 24, 2019 23:49:46 GMT
Folks,
Going through some of the Romanian stamps I've acquired.
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Post by billfromlachine on Jan 24, 2019 23:52:56 GMT
Folks,
Here's some more Romanian stamps I've purchased.
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Post by billfromlachine on Jan 25, 2019 12:18:18 GMT
Folks,
Another early Romanian stamp I've acquired, unfortunately I was told it's a forgery.
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Post by billfromlachine on Jan 25, 2019 12:19:41 GMT
Folks,
Another forgery of early Romania stamp in my collection.
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Londonbus1
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What I collect: Cinderellas and some Ephemera from Great Britain, France and Israel plus a few beautiful bits from elsewhere !! Topical interests include Flags & Judaica, the latter with an emphasis on the Jewish National Fund.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Apr 24, 2020 12:20:53 GMT
Joint issue of 1965 commemorating the start of the 'Fier-Derdap' Dam project across the River Danube between Romania and (then) Yugoslavia. The Hydro-Electric Power plant is one of the largest in Europe. 2 stamps from each side on this Miniature sheet.
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Post by smauggie on Apr 6, 2021 16:35:00 GMT
Scott# B339 Miniature Sheet There was a time when I considered being a worldwide stamp collector. It was a that time that I bought this.
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dorincard
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What I collect: My focus is on Wild Mammals on maximum cards. Occasionally, I get or create maximum cards with other animals, or any other topic.
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Post by dorincard on Apr 6, 2021 18:13:36 GMT
More about "Portile de Fier [The Iron Gates] - Đerdap (Ђердап; [d͡ʑě̞rdaːp])". That Đ is pronounced "dj", and that's why Novak Đokovic took mercy on us and spells his name Djokovic. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_GatesJoint issue of 1965 commemorating the start of the 'Fier-Derdap' Dam project across the River Danube between Romania and (then) Yugoslavia. The Hydro-Electric Power plant is one of the largest in Europe. 2 stamps from each side on this Miniature sheet.
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Post by daniel on Jul 8, 2023 15:36:08 GMT
Kings of Romania Military Uniforms Series 2020 An attractive set depicting King Carol I, King Ferdinand I, King Carol II and King Michael I
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Post by kooolabs on Feb 17, 2024 12:31:34 GMT
good day does this color error exist in the catalog? Mi 205, year 1906 can you recommend any special katralog for early romania? And one more question. Does anyone have any advice on researching the WZ for stamp issues 1885-1905? I try the signoscope, lamp, gasoline,,, and fart I see...
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Feb 17, 2024 13:25:05 GMT
good day does this color error exist in the catalog? Mi 205, year 1906 can you recommend any special katralog for early romania? And one more question. Does anyone have any advice on researching the WZ for stamp issues 1885-1905? I try the signoscope, lamp, gasoline,,, and fart I see... @koolabs Opinion: You simply have a stamp that is showing "Light Damage" (Not an error) The pigment has bleached. (Poor husbandry) What is your native tongue? If English is OK, I find the Scott Catalogue the best, you can drill down for specials via other routes. Note: this set exists with overprints "S E" I use "Ronsonol" on all my watermarks, some Romanian wmks are difficult Sc# 204
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Post by kooolabs on Feb 17, 2024 15:40:05 GMT
thank you for answer! every answer is beneficial for me! a) English ok b) it is clear to me that many color changes are given by: -aging- bleaching by the sun - chemical damage -intentional changes. I'm not sure in this case. Do you have a photo of another similar situation on this stamp? It could also be a lack of dye, rare in print fields. c) watermark I don't know Romania. I learned to recognize wz well in a number of destinations. Here in Romania I have a big problem with the first stamps. I can already see later stamps after 1910, no problem. I thought there might be some advice. Tip. Dear colleague, thank you once again
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salmantino
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What I collect: Specialised UK and overprints, Ireland, Netherlands, Spanish permanent stamps.
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Post by salmantino on Feb 17, 2024 16:04:09 GMT
I agree with rod222 that it is a colour changeling. Lilacs of the time tended to be double fugitive. Does the stamp have any gum left? If not, the colour may have run during soaking. Alternatively, it may have faded due to exposure to sunlight.
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Post by kooolabs on Feb 17, 2024 16:37:19 GMT
I do not study Romania in detail. I only have one general collection. I have now bought an older stock book to complement it. This stamp was on a line of multi-piece unstamped. All stamps were slightly glued together, but could be separated. The paint on all of them is original with traces of stickers. See photo.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Feb 17, 2024 22:29:56 GMT
thank you for answer! every answer is beneficial for me! I'm not sure in this case. Do you have a photo of another similar situation on this stamp? It could also be a lack of dye, rare in print fields. Dear Sir, with respect. If you challenge advice given, then I, for one will not answer your queries anymore. It is not a case of any nastiness, or revenge, but comes as a "waste of time and energy" to take the time to respond to you (and it does take time energy and experience) Don't get me wrong, it is OK to be circumspect with someone's advice, but keep it to yourself, or, challenge with proof, or additional evidence to your point of view. That, then is good scholarly debate. Thinking that every case of damaged stamps is a potential "rarity" is going to only just offer you frustration. Thank you.
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Post by kooolabs on Feb 18, 2024 3:55:42 GMT
Sir Your text surprised me a little. I always welcome advice from more experienced people and I thanked you several times in my reply. So thank you once again. Now also for advice - Your notice that in this series there are dienstamarks S-E. I overlooked this and as I show I found a nice series of these stamps. I'm happy about that. Thank you! But I must also state that, even though I am retired, for many years I dealt with systematics as a professor of zoology. And science is a discussion. Not just accepting opinions. Your opinion, as well as the opinion of other people, is knowledge for me. Not a dogma. Therefore, I consider it the right way to conduct a decent polemic about opinions. If it is about 205 grade. My first question was: Is there a manufacturing defect in the special catalog? The simple answer to this would be: YES-NO. I would not be able to comment on this answer. It would be a fact. But I didn't get this answer. I have no doubt that it can be a defect caused by the action of the sun. Or intentional bleaching. The glue is original. There could also be a loss of color on the die. This thinner color has faded completely over the years. And what is the problem? I don't see any. I have the mark among the others, because I did not find out whether the corresponding defect is registered. The discussion was stimulating for me and I will only be happy if you or anyone else answers my questions. And I myself will be happy if I can occasionally answer a question. Or join the discussion. The bigger the discussion, the bigger the number of discussants, the bigger the value of the marks. That's probably clear. with respect and wishing you a nice day!
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Post by gstamps on Feb 18, 2024 7:27:29 GMT
kooolabsAre you sure it's original gum? The original gum has a grey-yellow color; the stamp on the right seems to have a transparent white color. You can check the regumming by checking the holes and teeth of the perforations where the paper fibers should appear (in the case of the original gum)
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salmantino
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Post by salmantino on Feb 18, 2024 7:53:57 GMT
Stamp collecting is a passion and not a science for most of us. Where there is passion, there are emotions. Scientific and emotional discussions talk in two different languages.
You are correct not to accept every opinion without explanation. People who begin collecting stamps or inherit stamps often look for expensive stamps on the internet. Some buy a catalogue. When they gave a green stamp and see a green stamp the internet says is rare and valuable, they rejoice. They stop reading - and many times thinking - and do not understand the expensive stamp on the internet is different. The next step is they become a member of a stamp forum and ask other collectors if their stamp is valuable. Often, they are not asking for an opinion. They just want someone else to say they have the expensive stamp. If that does not happen, they start to argue. This is annoying to collectors who try to help them. It also means they become sensitive to any reply they can interpret as denial.
It becomes even more complicated when people discuss in a foreign language. I get the impression you are Romanian but am quite sure English is not your first language. That would mean you and I write in a language that is equally foreign to us. But the way we learned it and use it will be different. People to whom English is the first language sometimes forget this and think they are talking with a neighbour who also speaks English as first language.
A sign that your stamp is a colour changeling is that you see two different colours on it. One is a very pale colour that does not appear correct. At the time the stamp was printed, it was normal to print the frame of a stamp from one plate in the frame colour and the 'vignette' from a separate plate in a second colour. That you see two colours means the printing in two colours occurred. If the frame had been printed in a wrong colour, at least one sheet must have existed. After more than 100 years and in the age of the internet and these treasure hunters, it would have been reported. Also, the Michel catalogue would have listed it when reported. This is not a scientific fact, but does lower the probability of it being a rare error. That the very pale colour should be a lilac hue is a warning. Green and lilac at that time were very fugitive. The sticking together of your stamps suggest they were stored in humid conditions. Double fugitive ink is sensitive to water. So, even when you cannot be sure, the clues are pointing in one direction.
The final answer, always is an expertising organisation that examines the stamp and not just looks at it. But this costs good money.
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salmantino
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Post by salmantino on Feb 18, 2024 7:57:39 GMT
Is this a scan, or is there a reflection of a strong light source on the righthand side? The stamps at top right appears faded. Also the stamp next to it and the stamp at bottom right appear to have faded partially.
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Post by kooolabs on Feb 18, 2024 9:20:48 GMT
salmantino Thank you for your opinion, I fully agree with it. I'm not Romanian, but Czech, I'm 70 years old.
In collecting stamps, which I have been running for 5 years, I am not primarily looking for treasures, but interesting things from history. If the stamp is different from the one in the catalog, I am looking for information about it.
in the last picture I provided a photo, not a scan. Of course, within the collection of a larger number of stamps, there are color differences. And if someone has a series of hundreds of pieces, then I have no doubt that there are also completely faded pieces in the series.
Thank you.
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salmantino
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Post by salmantino on Feb 18, 2024 9:38:24 GMT
Of course, within the collection of a larger number of stamps, there are color differences. Stamps that were in use for a long period of time, usually, had multiple printings. If the printings took place over a longer period of time, ink had to be mixed for different printings. Without the aid of computers, this was the work of humans and different batches of ink will not have been exact matches. This is how 'shades' came about. Also, if more than one plate was used to print a single colour, differences in the depth of the engraving can cause such differences in the 'shades' (it would, technically, be more correct to call these hues, but I shall keep to the philatelic terminology. If there was just one printing from one plate, however, any differences are caused by the environment.
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Post by kooolabs on Feb 18, 2024 10:26:49 GMT
Thank you if I come back to the topic. I got an answer to my questions. What fascinates me the most when studying stamps is that one learns more about the history of a given country from stamps than from books. Romania, which I am supplementing with and looking at again after a while, is very interesting. There are easier and more difficult passages. Also, the number of stamp series, which is probably far beyond my capabilities. I asked about watermark detection. But a person with good eyesight and enough time can succeed there. I still dealt with the coat of arms on the stamps of 1881. But the subsequent series with PR and without WZ. This is beyond me. But that doesn't bother me, because I can devote myself to other simple editions of stamps 1920-1945. They are very interesting and beautiful stamps.
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Feb 18, 2024 10:47:10 GMT
salmantino In collecting stamps, which I have been running for 5 years, I am not primarily looking for treasures, but interesting things from history. 👍
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Post by kooolabs on Feb 19, 2024 5:59:58 GMT
I am going through more material I am happy to confirm now - I find a lot of colors with this color from fully saturated to 100% faded. one has to see it. then you are sure. thanks for your helpful opinions.
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Post by kooolabs on Feb 25, 2024 13:16:03 GMT
Hello everyone So with these stamps, I hope that it is not the sun that changes the colors. Wed 300,302F. Mi 300,302F
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Post by gstamps on Feb 25, 2024 16:20:18 GMT
Beautiful and rare stamps. In Kiriac Dragomir's catalog it is mentioned that there are 300 (6L) and 200 stamps (10L). It intrigues me that there are different ones - the frame line that is straight on the 6l stamp, unlike the 10L stamp. The printing method is heliogravure.
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Post by kooolabs on Feb 26, 2024 4:38:02 GMT
Thank you it's a pity that there is a smudge on one. I'm still thinking about buying the scot catalog according to Rod's advice. But at my age and with my eyesight, I probably wouldn't be able to handle the multitude of varieties of some of the editions. I have a michel 2021. Unfortunately, it lists few deviations. thank you for your response! Mark
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salmantino
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Post by salmantino on Feb 26, 2024 6:56:55 GMT
Thank you it's a pity that there is a smudge on one. I'm still thinking about buying the scot catalog according to Rod's advice. But at my age and with my eyesight, I probably wouldn't be able to handle the multitude of varieties of some of the editions. I have a michel 2021. Unfortunately, it lists few deviations. thank you for your response! Mark Before you spend money on a Scott catalogue, maybe someone can show you the listing for these stamps in Scott. Limiting it to worldwide catalogue publishers, Michel is THE authority on European countries east of the eastern Dutch, French, and Italian borders and south of Scandinavia. The odds of finding better information on Romanian stamps in a Scott catalogue than in a Michel catalogue are not good. Some variations are too minor to be listed and you will not find them in any but as specialised catalogue. If you specialise in Romanian stamps, consider buying a Romanian catalogue and use Google translate until you get the hang of the Romanian terminology.
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