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Post by blaamand on Jun 22, 2018 14:30:14 GMT
I'm am about to dive into Spannish Andorra, however Scott Specialized listings are annoying me   The first series is listed as Perf 13.5 x 12.5 , 12.5 x 11.5, but is not giving details if all the stamps in the series comes in both perforation varieties or not. Can anybody help finding a more detailed reference for Andorra? Much appreciated Jon |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 22, 2018 15:01:24 GMT
Jon ( blaamand), Nelson (@falshung) and Ryan ( Ryan) tend to be the guys with access to the most references and catalogues. Hopefully one of them will be able to help! |
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Post by blaamand on Jun 22, 2018 15:26:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 16:03:30 GMT
I'm am about to dive into Spannish Andorra, however Scott Specialized listings are annoying me The first series is listed as Perf 13.5 x 12.5 , 12.5 x 11.5, but is not giving details if all the stamps in the series comes in both perforation varieties or not. Can anybody help finding a more detailed reference for Andorra? I don't believe Scotts has got it quite right 1. There are several distinct types of these that need to be identified Perforations
Original basic 13X 12.75 Varieties
12.25X11.25
12.25X11.5 12.25X11.75 11.5 6.5 14
The best solution is to go back to the original Spain 1922 issues for details of which ones fit the above perfs as well as the control numbers and types
Your latest acquisition will help
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Post by blaamand on Jun 22, 2018 16:32:15 GMT
@falshung - Thank you very much for your excellent help, the reference you gave me is really helpful! I am still curious if all these perf varieties also appear on the stamps of Andorra. If they existed on the Spanish, all the varieties were not necesarrily overprinted for Andorra  THat's why I am still looking for a detailed reference for Andorra itself, so I can make my pages as relevant as possible, and not make lots of boxes for varieties that were never actually overprinted.  It must be out there, somewhere. Until now Michel is the reference I have that is giving the most detailed list of perf varieties for Andorra itself, so I will just go with Michel - for now  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 16:55:03 GMT
I have a note on these perfs as (cannot confirm authenticity) Perf 12 x 11½ All Values except 2c and 1pta. Perf 13 x 12½ All except 25c, 40c, 10pta. Perf 14 All except 25c. - somewhat rare so it may not need an album space Check against Michel to see if they fit
You probably saw the note "Forgeries of Ovpt. Exist" - it is lacking the word "Lots" and they are very plentiful and somewhat difficult to determine
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Post by blaamand on Jun 22, 2018 18:21:38 GMT
Thank you very much Nelson. Your notes fits in well with Michel for the normal perforation 13X12.5. Can't remember the others and can't check with Michel right now. The most important for me is that your notes include the same perf varieties as given in Michel, so probably the other perf varieties that can be found on Spanish will not be found on Andorra.
You're right about pages required. I will only include dedicated boxes for each of the values and shades for the most normal perf variety. And below that simply add a line of 'free available boxes' for each of the other more scarce perf varieties, if I would ever find any of them.
Thank you for Billings list, most useful 😁
Now to find out how to identify forgeries...
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jan 23, 2019 23:05:26 GMT
The definitive series from 1963-64:  |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jan 23, 2019 23:14:18 GMT
The first few Europa issues:  As is the case with Liechtenstein, the first issue, on the top row, is very sought after and commands a high CV, as opposed to the following ones (although for the French Administration, the CV of the Europa issues stays high for several years). |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jan 25, 2019 22:11:13 GMT
The Spanish Andorra Europa issues for the three years of 1975, 1976 and 1977:  |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jan 25, 2019 22:12:44 GMT
And, of course, I'm quite partial to the Montreal 1976 Olympics issue, which strangely enough features a skier (probably a mislabelling to the Innsbruck winter Olympics that same year):  |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Feb 4, 2019 22:48:46 GMT
First block from Spanish Andorra, celebrating 50 years of stamps from the Spanish Administration:  |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Feb 5, 2019 23:26:52 GMT
The Spanish Andorra Europa issues from 1978 to 1983:  |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Feb 6, 2019 22:26:24 GMT
A series of definitives, first issued in 1982, featuring the Andorran coat of arms. The stamps in the bottom right corner are 1988 re-issues, recognizable by the missing "PTA" mention. The 100 Pta stamp of that second series I'm still missing.  |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Feb 7, 2019 21:54:16 GMT
Europa issues from 1986 to 1990 and 1995 and 1996:  |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Feb 8, 2019 21:38:11 GMT
All four of the Spanish Andorra airmail issues:  |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Feb 9, 2019 17:05:52 GMT
The Europa issues from 1997 to 2000:  |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Feb 15, 2019 21:49:03 GMT
A few Europa issues from the Spanish Andorra Euro period:  |
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Post by cursus on Apr 25, 2020 16:53:38 GMT
I haven't seen around many Maximum cards from Andorra and I'll show two:
The second stamp, was important, as it was the first stamp with the text in Catalan (the offical language of Andorra, as well of Catalonia, Baleraric Islands and Valencia). From then , most stamps issued by both PO have the text in our language.
I guess, that not many people around here has been in Andorra. Living in Barcelona (200 km S of Andorra), for us is a popular shopping, skiing and trekking place. Sometimes, too popular as there are long queues on the border, not being Andorra memeber of EU.
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Post by cursus on Apr 30, 2020 10:42:55 GMT
Two FDCs of the 1963 and 1964 definitive series. The name of the capital of the country, Andorra la Vella (the Old Andorra) is still written in Spanish instead of Catalan.
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Post by cursus on Jun 1, 2020 9:34:49 GMT
Finding Andorra stamps on circulated postcards is easy as many people from Catalonia go there for holidays, shopping or skiing. Due to the double currency up to 2001 (French Francs / Spanish pessetes) all postcards to Barcelona bear Spanish PO stamps. As for buying French PO stamps, you first had to buy French currency which was somewhat complicated because of regulations. I remember facing that problem myself. Since the Euro, everything is much easier.
I guess that our French friends face the same situation.
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Post by cursus on Aug 27, 2020 18:17:54 GMT
Euope 2020. Old mail route from Andorra la Vella to la Seu d'Urgell, Catalonia.  |
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Post by cursus on Oct 28, 2020 11:52:38 GMT
1.- Andorran women: Carolina Plandolit. Second wife of the polititian Guillem Areny
2.- Old crafts: wolf's collar: an iron collar to protect sheepdogs from the atack of wolves. Desapeared, not so long ago (early XX century). Wolves (coming from Italy) are again not far from Andorra, in Catalonia.
On the FDC there's an explanation of the stamp written in Spanish, which is not Andorra's language (is Catalan). But, this is something typical from the Spanish behaviour...
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Post by cursus on Oct 31, 2020 3:00:36 GMT
Some more 2020 issues:
Cal Pal de la Cortinada (Ordino-La Massana), XVI-XVII centuries saw and flour mills:
25 years of relationship with Liechtenstein
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Post by cursus on Nov 3, 2020 10:57:39 GMT
In 2010, Andorra honored the best known Catalan poet of all times: Jacint Verdaguer i Santaló (Folgueroles, 1845 - Sarrià, 1902). All of us can recall, at least, a poem by him.
In 2011, Andorra, remembered Miquel Martí i Pol (Roda de Ter 1929 - 2003). The best known XX century Catalan poet.
Both poets were born in towns, just separed by 8 km. On the same area: Osona.
I'm glad that this coincides with my 600th post at TSF, in a little over 6 months of membership.
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Post by cursus on Nov 4, 2020 9:17:59 GMT
Although best known for his many works (houses, factories...) all around Catalonia, the Catalan architect, polititian and scholar Josep Puig i Cadafalch (Mataró, 1867 -Barcelona, 1956) also build a house in Andorra, shown on this 2000 stamp.
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Post by vikingeck on Nov 4, 2020 12:26:58 GMT
Hi Joan cursus, Andorra is intriguing . I know I could Wikipedia but can you remind us why Andorra has two postal systems? It must have been awkward before the Euro to make sure you had the correct coins. Did shops etc accept both currencies or was there a preference ? You say the “Spanish” spoken is in fact Catalan , does anyone speak French as a first language ? Do you collect French issues or only the Spanish ? |
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Post by cursus on Nov 4, 2020 13:08:42 GMT
Hi Alec. The official language in Andorra is Catalan, which is the one spoken by native Andorrans. There are many immigrants that speak other foreign languages like Spanish, Portuguese, French... The duality on postal services comes from the fact that Andorra has tow heads of state or "Co-prínceps" as we say. One is the Catalan bishop of la Seu d'Urgell (about 25 km from Andorra) and the French president. All of this steems from a middle ages treaty between the bishop and the Viscount of Castellbó. Due to marriages, the co-lordship of Andorra, reached the kings of Navarra, who (Henry IV) became kings of France and, then to the President de la Republique. As Catalonia is not an independent country, the Spanish PO started to act in Andorra on early XX century and, as reaction, the Andorra French Po has stablished in 1931.
Prior to euro, all shops in Andorra accepted both French francs and Spanish pesetas. So, shoping was not a problem. But, POs only accepted their own currency and, ona time (70's-80's) when credit cards were not so widespread as today, I remember buying French francs to be able to buy some "French Andorra" stamps at "La Posta" as French PO was called by then.
I do collect Andorra, not too actively, when I'm able to find item. In general, I prefer covers or postcards, as well as cinderellas (Yes, there are some Andorran cinderellas!). Often, I think on collecting that country truly seriously, as I like its stamps, they cover subjects very close to me and I'm also able to read any literature published on them, as it's written in Catalan, French, English and Spanish. Languages on which a have a working comand.
I've an easier access to the Spanish PO stamps, as they sell them at Barcelona's GPO and I only need to take the undergroung to get there. When I'm interested on a special French PO issue, I look for it on e-bay or Delcampe.
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Post by dgdecker on Nov 4, 2020 15:55:03 GMT
Some more 2020 issues:
25 years of relationship with Liechtenstein Thanks for posting this cover. Do you own this? As it is a recent issue, how did you acquire it? i collect both countries and would love to have this in my collection. I have a good friend who spent time in both countries while working as a diplomat in Madrid and Vienna. He speaks very highly of both countries. Thanks for the information in why there are two postal services. Quite the interesting history for Andorra. Hope you post more. David. |
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THat's why I am still looking for a detailed reference for Andorra itself, so I can make my pages as relevant as possible, and not make lots of boxes for varieties that were never actually overprinted. 
