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Post by redkiwi on Nov 23, 2024 19:39:02 GMT
Great covers, Dave. Nice additions to the thread. It was certainly a period of rapid growth for commemorative covers.
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Post by DK on Nov 23, 2024 19:40:24 GMT
The return flight from Auckland to Wellington was the next day, after the flight had arrived from Invercargill, 13th November 1931. Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 23, 2024 19:46:47 GMT
Another return flight to Wellington, this one pilot signed : Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 23, 2024 19:56:10 GMT
On 10th December 1931 another special mail service was run between Auckland - Gisborne return. Here are two covers on 2 of the legs, Hamilton & Rotorua: Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 23, 2024 20:03:13 GMT
The 5d o/p on a 3d green Airmail stamp was issued on 18th December 1931. Here it is used on a Special Christmas flight from Gisborne to Auckland - dated 24 December 1931: Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 24, 2024 7:36:27 GMT
I was perusing Trademe tonight and came upon this nice cover. The 1931 Airmail set used on the first day of issue, 10 Nov 1931!! He is asking NZ$1800 for it which is very near full ACS cat value .... Sellers description:"RARE FIRST DAY COVER 1931 AIRMAILS 10 NOV 1931 FLOWN COVER 1931 RARE New Zealand airmail stamps issued on Nov 10th 1931 this set of three stamped on cover at Napier[10 NO 31] with uprated Three pence Brown King George V Typed front, special Australian airliner "Southern sun" Special Direct air mail to England 20/11/31 ,stamped cachet back Christmas airmail New Zealand-Australia-London 1931, with Palmerston North 10 Nov as well applied with Authenticated by the expert committee Airmail Society of New Zealand cachet Has an english King george V half penny stamp applied receipt front stamped 17 Dec 31. This cover has value catalogue of $2,000.00 and is considered as Rare". A nice item indeed Dave
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Post by redkiwi on Nov 24, 2024 11:40:11 GMT
Survey flight from Wellington to Hokitika, 20 January 1932
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Post by redkiwi on Nov 24, 2024 15:48:06 GMT
Another one of the 229 ordinary letters carried on the 1931 NZ to UK Kingsford Smith flights. The use of the 2/- Admiral is rare on a cover as they were mostly used for parcels. The cover was put together by the dealer Wilcox Smith who clearly understood how to make a cover a bit 'special':
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Post by DK on Nov 25, 2024 7:11:43 GMT
Survey flight from Wellington to Hokitika, 20 January 1932 Here is one on the Nelson to Hokitika leg, signed by the pilot M.C McGregor. A green cachet on this one: Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 25, 2024 7:18:15 GMT
Previous to the last cover was this one from the Wellington starting point to Nelson. This has a purple cachet: Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 25, 2024 7:22:56 GMT
Klem showed an unusual franking above where the 2/- Admiral was used on the cover. Here is one using the 6d 'Express Delivery' stamp in conjunction with the 5d Airmail stamp. A little unusual also. A green cachet used here: Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 25, 2024 7:31:19 GMT
On the 9th of April, 1932 we had the official opening of Timaru Airport which was marked by an Air Pageant at which Squadron Leader T.W White flew the NZ Airways Ltd 'Simmonds Spartan' ZK-ABK. Here is a signed cover marking this occasion: Dave
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Post by redkiwi on Nov 25, 2024 9:46:29 GMT
Great covers there, Dave. You certainly have a very nice collection of early airmail items. Thanks for taking the time to upload them. That 6d Express with the 5d Provisional is a nice piece; a very rare combo.
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Post by redkiwi on Nov 25, 2024 20:02:28 GMT
Copying this over from the discussion in the NZ Stamps forum as it is more appropriate here, plus there are some updates. The vast majority of the covers featuring the 3d brown airmail stamp are perf 14 x 14½ (CP V1a) and have a CV of $50 NZD. However, a few covers with the 3d are perf 14 x 15 (CP V1b). On cover with a clear date these have a CV of $2500.
There is a discussion of the 3d perforation 14 x 15 in the PSoNZ vol.1 that provides some interesting background:
Robin Gwynn believes that the estimate of 150 to 200 total 3d perf 14 x 15 sold is likely an underestimate, nevertheless everyone concurs that it is a great rarity, particularly on a cover. I subsequently found a reference in PSoNZ vol.2 that specifically addresses the discrepancy in dates by acknowledging that, contrary to the discussion in vol.1, evidence from covers proves that perf 14 x 15 was available in Gisborne in April 1935. And, while researching this cover I found this example sold by NZ dealer Richard Wooders in 2009 for a quite stunning price:
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Post by redkiwi on Dec 1, 2024 17:44:30 GMT
1 April 1946 Peace Issue FDCThis is about as late as my NZ collecting goes, but I thought this was a nice cover of this issue, and it's a registered air cover, too. If anyone has the literature on NZ FDCs and specific cachets, I'd be interested in any additional information on this cover.
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Post by rod222 on Dec 1, 2024 21:37:19 GMT
This is about as late as my NZ collecting goes, but I thought this was a nice cover of this issue, and it's a registered air cover, too. If anyone has the literature on NZ FDCs and specific cachets, I'd be interested in any additional information on this cover. Hi Perhaps here, CV $20 but "order"? do not understand linkAlso (Only Health's ?)
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Post by redkiwi on Dec 1, 2024 21:50:49 GMT
I wasn't meaning CV, I know it's not valuable. I don't have the guide to NZ FDCs, so thought there might be some information on whether this was the official cachet or a privately printed one.
Yes, like Jones, but for non-health covers.
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Post by DK on Dec 2, 2024 7:06:55 GMT
This is about as late as my NZ collecting goes, but I thought this was a nice cover of this issue, and it's a registered air cover, too. If anyone has the literature on NZ FDCs and specific cachets, I'd be interested in any additional information on this cover. Hi Klem Here is all that Tony Thackery has to say about this set on cover from his book " New Zealand First Day & Early Use Covers & Stamps 1855 - 2003" : (Taken with my old iPhone as the book is difficult to scan). Hope this helps. Dave
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Post by DK on Dec 2, 2024 7:21:45 GMT
1932 Survey Flight Auckland to North Auckland - 30 AprilDave
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Post by DK on Dec 2, 2024 7:35:22 GMT
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Post by DK on Dec 2, 2024 7:42:31 GMT
1932 International Connection to the UK - NZ to Muscat & Bahrain by Imperial Airways - 8 November Dave
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Post by redkiwi on Dec 2, 2024 7:51:40 GMT
Thanks for the info on that cover, Dave. Exactly what I was after.
And, a great collection of early airmail covers you have.
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Post by redkiwi on Dec 3, 2024 18:10:40 GMT
I'm a bit excited about this next airmail item. I've been waiting a month for it to arrive; finally today ... Before I get to it, a little background (which I've been researching while I waited). Forgive me if this is a little long, but hopefully it's helpful. As mentioned in the first post on this thread, New Zealand airmail services expanded significantly in the 1930s, as did the production of commemorative covers. However, it was not until fairly late that NZ established an airlink with the US. A Pan American Airways survey flight - the Sikorsky flying-boat ‘Samoan Clipper’ (NC-16734) - landed on the Waitematā Harbour on the 26th of December 1937. Thousands greeted the plane and its crew at Mechanics Bay, Auckland, including the New Zealand Prime Minister, Michael Joseph Savage. Samoan Clipper, Auckland 26 December 1937Such was the interest in the event, it was broadcast live on local radio. MJS's welcome speech was recorded and is available in New Zealand Archives, for those who want to listen. Michael Joseph Savage, the first Labour Prime Minister of New Zealand
The Samoan Clipper didn't carry any inward mail, but at short notice, it was announced that it would carry mail on its return journey via Pago Pago, Kingman Reef, and Honolulu to San Franscisco. The flight was scheduled for 28 December but was delayed by inclement weather until the 2nd of January 1938. When it departed, Samoan Clipper was carrying 25,134 items of mail, 15,722 of which – after transfer to the flying-boat ‘Philippine Clipper’ in Honolulu – were carried to San Francisco and beyond. Mail on the flight was generally marked with commemorative cachets, most commonly a red handstamp (as below), though some covers with other cachets are known. Pan Am did their own covers, which remain readily available to buy today.
One the other factors driving growing interest in stamp collecting in the 1930s was FDR. The US president was, and perhaps still is, the most famous stamp collector in the world. He had picked up the hobby as a child and maintained it while in office. Such was his love of stamps, he reportedly instructed the US State Department to collect interesting items from incoming mail to add to his collection. He was also frequently photographed with his stamps, which apparently was an integral part of his carefully crafted public persona of being calm and in control.
The US philatelic community were also happy to promote this image:
I don't know if Savage was thinking of FDR's hobby interests, but he decided to mark the occasion of the first mail flight by sending a gift accompanied by a personal note to his US counterpart. This was reported in the New Zealand media:
The letter's arrival in Washington was also reported:
Tragically, the Samoan Clipper crashed on 11 January 1938 on a return flight with the loss of her crew, as dramatically imagined in some of the contemporary newspaper reporting. This, along with the war, severed the air link between NZ and the US until 1940.
Despite the tragedy, FDR wrote an acknowledging letter to Savage on 24 February:
Savage died in 1940, and from what I can find online, there was no further postal correspondence between Savage and FDR.
So, what happened to the letter? As many collectors know, FDR's collection was auctioned in 1946 after his death the previous year. There was, according to the US Postal Museum, some contention at the time that FDR's stamps should have been the property of the state given that he collected so much of it from official mail, but the auction proceeded nonetheless.
Much of the material was of limited philatelic value, but its association with FDR created significant interest. Most of the items were marked by the auction agent - H.R. Harmer of NY - with a handstamp authenticating them as having come from FDR's collection. It is fairly common to come across these pieces today. I picked up a couple of NZ-related items in 2022, which was how I first came to know of FDR's collection and its history. I was, nevertheless, a bit surprised when Savage's letter, along with the FFC, came up for sale on eBay in November from a US dealer.
I asked NZ airmail collectors if they were aware of its existence, but they were not. After the reporting in 1938, the cover seems to have dropped out of NZ philatelic knowledge. I asked the dealer the provenance of the cover after 1946, but all he would say is that is was in a "serious collection of FDR material".
I'm still a bit stunned to have this FFC and correspondence between two (quite famous) heads of state sitting on my desk.
Thanks if you read this far. And, if anyone knows more about this cover (and also knows if the blue pencil marks were made by State Department staff?), I'd be happy to hear from you.
I'd also be interested to hear if anyone knows of other examples of covers connecting heads of state.
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Post by REL1948 on Dec 3, 2024 18:58:55 GMT
I'm a bit excited about this next airmail item. I've been waiting a month for it to arrive; finally today ... Thank you for sharing this wonderful write-up @redkiwi, an extremely interesting story. Rob
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Post by redkiwi on Dec 3, 2024 19:02:53 GMT
I'm a bit excited about this next airmail item. I've been waiting a month for it to arrive; finally today ... Thank you for sharing this wonderful write-up @redkiwi, an extremely interesting story. RobThanks, Rob. Appreciate you reading it.
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Post by Hugh on Dec 3, 2024 19:40:55 GMT
redkiwi …. All of your posts in this thread have been wonderful … this last one has been especially so. Thanks for taking the time to share such an interesting story. Regards, Hugh
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Post by redkiwi on Dec 3, 2024 19:52:31 GMT
Thank you, Hugh. Very kind of you. It's a pleasure to share material with such an engaged readership.
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Post by DK on Dec 3, 2024 21:50:35 GMT
A great piece of work there Klem.
Great background story and a great piece for your collection related to the story. How nice to have a piece of history in your hands. Well done
Dave
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Post by neilmac on Dec 4, 2024 2:25:25 GMT
Great thread and some wonderful stories. The Prime Minister and President communications especially so. I have very little airmail, except of course the Great Barrier Pigeon Post, and it is only because of that I have these two covers, which I like very much with the 1931 Health stamps included.
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Post by redkiwi on Dec 4, 2024 6:43:57 GMT
Those are really lovely covers, Neil. The smiling boys on any cover are always desirable, but particularly so with such nice cachets. Thanks for sharing.
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