rod222
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Post by rod222 on Dec 17, 2013 1:01:33 GMT
Thank you James, for your contribution of US Precancels, very much appreciated! Here is the DAUNTING prospect, of any fool attempting to collect US Precancels, James' stamp is the New York example. This is JUST the half cent Orange Prexie, and there are SIX! pages of this one stamp. AND, these are only the "Bureau Precancels" there are other private opts to boot. ![](https://tsfimagehost.net/images/2020/02/16/e220884dd120e05db70293a6fcccd3b4.jpg)
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Post by stampgeezer on Dec 17, 2013 1:27:18 GMT
Let me see what I have, are you interested in everything or certain issues or states? Theron.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Dec 17, 2013 1:49:45 GMT
"Let me see what I have, are you interested in everything or certain issues or states?"
Thanks 'Geezer, Interested in everything, but be wary, check with ebay, some are expensive and valuable.
I Intend to put all my duplicates back through TSF Free, and I'll have bucketloads methinks.
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Post by stampgeezer on Dec 17, 2013 6:29:03 GMT
Rod, I have to ask, what is there about US precancels that would prompt you to embark on what I would consider a never-ending quest? Theron.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Dec 17, 2013 6:34:17 GMT
Blame it all on Mr. William Steiner.
He makes pages, I fill holes, therein lies the corollary.
I have adopted the stance, I am simply preparing the collection, for the next guy when I take up residence in the pine box.
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Dec 17, 2013 13:34:35 GMT
Hopefully the "next guy" will have the same passion for collecting as you do.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Dec 17, 2013 13:39:57 GMT
"Hopefully the "next guy" will have the same passion for collecting as you do." Hahahaha ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) nearly spilt the coffee over that comment! Thanks for the laugh.
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Dec 17, 2013 14:37:26 GMT
Rod, I have to ask, what is there about US precancels that would prompt you to embark on what I would consider a never-ending quest? I enjoy collecting American precancels, and I think it stems from a long-standing interest in geography. I was the type of kid that always wanted to look at a map while we were driving, I received a globe for my 6th birthday (which I still own), a road atlas for my 8th birthday, etc. Especially now in the days of the internet with easy access to information, it's fun to look up towns about which you know absolutely zero. A while back I was looking through some precancels and I often came across some from Piqua, OH. I didn't know Thing #1 about Piqua, so I looked it up on Wikipedia and lo and behold, it's the hometown of the Mills Brothers (boy, I like the Mills Brothers)! Bill Lear too, the guy who founded Lear Jet. It was the first town in the US to have its own atomic power plant. They used to hold an underwear festival. There's almost always interesting stuff to find out about these place names I see on the precancels. Collecting precancels is entirely different than collecting "regular" stamps. Finding the stamps is really difficult to do relative to their price level. Let's say you want a regular US stamp that's valued at $150-$250, something like #C3 never hinged (the Inverted Jenny except the plane isn't inverted). Go on eBay, a quick search and there are dozens of them to choose from, singles, margin copies, blocks of 4, blocks of 12, whatever. All you need to do is click your mouse a couple of times and make a purchase, you can find and buy the stamp in less than 10 minutes and most likely for quite a bit less than the catalogue value. If you want a precancel that is valued at $250, you might wait 10 years and never see a copy for sale even if you're willing to pay $1000 for it. There's much more "finding" time required when you're collecting precancels. People have found all kinds of ways of collecting precancels. You might collect only one state, you might collect only the Bureaus (nice clean overprints, and a limited number of possibilities), or maybe only towns with 3 letters in the name, or towns that no longer have a post office, or every possible precancel on the 13 cent apple green Washington-Franklin stamp, etc etc etc. I don't take it very seriously, I still have fun with bulk purchases and just seeing what's there. I don't target particular stamps although it's possible I will eventually get there. But it's loads of fun. ![](http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--mVKNxjt8bk/UrBgnIotVdI/AAAAAAAATm0/GY7czRY5AFw/w1140-h660-no/precancels.jpg) Ryan
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Post by Zuzu on Dec 17, 2013 15:59:22 GMT
I'd like to respectfully ask that you all stop talking about US precancels until this strange idea I have to collect Nebraska precancels subsides. ;P
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Post by stampgeezer on Dec 17, 2013 18:22:46 GMT
The Mills Brothers, I remember them well, and still enjoy listening to them today.
Theron.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Dec 17, 2013 21:57:48 GMT
I enjoy collecting American precancels, and I think it stems from a long-standing interest in geography................... That is a GREAT post, Ryan, thoroughly enjoyed reading that. Didn't appreciate the teaser of the box of Precancels at the end though, very jealous. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Dec 26, 2013 10:16:35 GMT
Precancels: I'd like to thank Steve and Jeff and James? for my new additions, received 63 new precancels, looks like only 5 duplicates, which shows what a hopeless collection I have. Shall have to print 12 new pages to accomodate 1 new stamp each page ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) Thanks a bunch guys.
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Post by Jerry B on Dec 26, 2013 12:35:58 GMT
Hi Rodney There is a PreCancel Stamp Society: www.precancels.com/The Web Site says that there is a free album www.precancels.com/free-albums/They also have catalogs for a fee but there is an exorbitant shipping charge to your part of the World ($23.95 USD) and the catalog price must be US Dollars. I just looked at the Album for all states and it is 598 pages. If you are going to collect Precancels I assume we won't hear from you until the next Century. Jerry B
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Dec 26, 2013 12:47:54 GMT
Thanks Jerry, (If my life wasn't complicated already ![:-S](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wavey.png) ) That may be a bridge too far. I'll continue with Steiner for the time being, but keep this in mind, I liked the free Excel viewer, which I'll download early in the morning (75Mb) $23 is fairly cool for shipping, I often pay up to $40 if I buy a collection, freight is expensive these days, so budgeting is a must. I don't go anywhere near an auction site, if I am in "save" mode, too tempting. Appreciate that link, very comprehensive indeed. 42,000 (gulp)
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Dec 26, 2013 12:49:39 GMT
By the way, I also collect PSS labels, (Pre Cancel Stamp Society Labels) If anyone has any for sale, I'm buying.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jan 6, 2014 10:06:52 GMT
Rod, I have to ask, what is there about US precancels that would prompt you to embark on what I would consider a never-ending quest? Theron. Theron, received your Pre cancels this afternoon. Many, many thanks. A nice selection, will take some sorting. Nice Inverted Jennifer on the cover, ( Cover : A Jan 1st 1965 U550 5c bright purple Eagle) Salutations.
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Post by stampgeezer on Jan 6, 2014 18:33:46 GMT
Rod, glad they made it. Interesting, I sent them about the 18th so 19 days from Washington State to you. You are the first person I have heard referring to that silly stamp as an "inverted Jennifer"! Regards, Theron.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jan 10, 2014 20:15:48 GMT
Progress in "The never Ending Quest" is plodding along. I am such a novice in this discipline, Can anyone advise what the numbers following the Sc Cat # means please? 4.9 6.2 etc & etc. PS: The 11c "caboose" is not listed in Sc, why do I find it on Mr. Steiner's page ? ![](https://tsfimagehost.net/images/2020/02/16/cbf947aad717783218e3980f8121949f.jpg)
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Jan 10, 2014 20:56:19 GMT
PS: The 11c "caboose" is not listed in Sc, why do I find it on Mr. Steiner's page ? That stamp is Scott #1905 if tagged, #1905a if untagged. The precancel will be listed in the PSS Bureau precancel catalogue, in the section at the rear with the two-line silents and the service indicator precancels (still out of town, literature is not at hand). ![](http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jS5LECjNcgw/UtBdqIFrm0I/AAAAAAAATvA/QeXfOlssgdE/w630-h661-no/coils.JPG) Ryan
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Post by ncbucki on Jan 10, 2014 21:04:08 GMT
Those numbers are the values, 6.2 cents, 10.1 cents, etc. The caboose is Scott # 1905, issued Feb 3, 1984
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Post by ncbucki on Jan 10, 2014 21:20:18 GMT
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jan 10, 2014 23:06:20 GMT
Those numbers are the values, 6.2 cents, 10.1 cents, etc. The caboose is Scott # 1905, issued Feb 3, 1984 With due respect, that can't be correct, I would have picked that up. For instance, the buckboard 4.9c non profit, has 2124 (sc cat) and 4.4 what is 4.4?
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jan 10, 2014 23:08:24 GMT
Those numbers are the values, 6.2 cents, 10.1 cents, etc. The caboose is Scott # 1905, issued Feb 3, 1984 Yes, I can figure out the Scott number but why does scott not indicate a "Bureau pre cancel" under that numbered listing? when one exists.
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Jan 11, 2014 3:03:58 GMT
Those numbers are the values, 6.2 cents, 10.1 cents, etc. The caboose is Scott # 1905, issued Feb 3, 1984 Yes, I can figure out the Scott number but why does scott not indicate a "Bureau pre cancel" under that numbered listing? when one exists. Scott generally only lists the Bureau precancels if they are somehow different from the other listings. The most common usage of this is with untagged stamps - many untagged stamps are only available as Bureau precancels and are therefore mentioned in Scott. There's the occasional variety where the precancels were available to the general public, Christmas stamps from the late '60s. And once in a long while there's something like #596, exceedingly rare stuff (who knows why the precancel gets a price listing here, other than to perhaps set a price difference between a "proper" cancel and a precancel on this stamp). If the only thing notable about the precancel is the mere fact that a precancel exists, then Scott ignores them and it's up to the PSS catalogues to deal with the literal millions of varieties there. Ryan
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jan 11, 2014 4:00:58 GMT
"If the only thing notable about the precancel is the mere fact that a precancel exists, then Scott ignores them and it's up to the PSS catalogues to deal with the literal millions of varieties there."
Ah! now it all makes sense, Thanks ncb, and Ryan.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Aug 3, 2015 1:37:12 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Aug 3, 2015 1:44:50 GMT
PSS checklist (Circa $8 -$10 on ebay?) Cover and addenda Thanks to all members who have sent me US pre cancels, I continue to "soldier on" ![](https://tsfimagehost.net/images/2020/02/16/f1a0937a0fa2478ee805240baa8ab1fe.jpg) ![](https://tsfimagehost.net/images/2020/02/16/5628b89da4ba620175cdfa2d99bfe4af.jpg)
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nikhil
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Post by nikhil on May 15, 2018 10:40:33 GMT
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Post by philatelia on Jul 8, 2023 10:32:07 GMT
I always thought that when the United States Postal service hand precanceled stamps that they would cancel the entire sheet, but then I saw this sheet on eBay. There are several different cities and half the sheet isn’t cancelled. Strange, yes? ![](https://tsfimagehost.net/images/2023/07/08/bc117ee6d725269f8fe442c8b74e4adb.jpg)
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Jul 8, 2023 13:17:04 GMT
philatelia I suggest a precancel collector had fun and hand-carried the sheet to various post offices to obtain precancel impressions.
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