Londonbus1
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What I collect: Wonderland; 1912 Jubilee International Stamp Exhibition, London ('Ideal' Stamp, ephemera); French Cinderellas with an emphasis on Poster Stamps; Israel and Palestine Cinderellas ; Jewish National Fund Stamps, Labels and Tags; London 2010, A Festival of Stamps (anything); South Africa 1937 Coronation issue of KGVI, singles or bi-lingual pairs.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Dec 22, 2013 17:05:22 GMT
ISRAELI couldn't find a thread for these so will start this one until such a time I stand corrected !! Or I may move it elsewhere !  Rather than put these in individual countries, I thought it better to let them go it alone, as I believe there are many collectors of such items. They are not in my collecting interests but for the purpose of this thread I will show a few of the Israel types and whatever else I have another time. In Israel all types of these labels are popular, many are scarce or rare and are much sought after, especially the earlier ones. There is a book too but I have not been able to find a copy up to now. There are 4 main types, not including the most recent issues, about which I do not have any information to hand. as far as I can ascertain, all machines dispensed pre-set values. The first ATM labels were dispensed from a Swiss Frama Machine in 1988 [17th Nov] in values of 40,60 and 70 Agorot. All 'Framas' exist on plain white paper except the example shown here which was available only at the 'Israel 98' International Exhibition and from the Philatelic Service.  German Klussendorf machines were introduced from May 1990 and were in use until January 1999. They used the same pre-set values as the Framas. 'sets' of labels [all values] were called Tariffed sets as they paid a particular weight and journey. Occasionally, non-tariff sets were issued whereby different designs of the same value were offered for collectors,special occasions or covers. Blank 'values' can also be found. Below are sets of Tariff and Non-Tariff Klussendorfs. Christmas 1996, Tariff  Tourism, 1993. Non-Tariff  Below is another Tariff set from the tourism issue, showing Haifa with the gold-domed Bah'ai shrine in the foreground.  Varieties exist on many issues, of design, size and Phosphor layout. Some are very scarce. If my memory serves me well, the Frama and Klussendorf machines stood alongside each other during the 'Israel 98' Exhibition. We've seen the Frama so...........  More to come.......
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Londonbus1
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Cinderella Stamp Club Member 3059
Posts: 5,075
What I collect: Wonderland; 1912 Jubilee International Stamp Exhibition, London ('Ideal' Stamp, ephemera); French Cinderellas with an emphasis on Poster Stamps; Israel and Palestine Cinderellas ; Jewish National Fund Stamps, Labels and Tags; London 2010, A Festival of Stamps (anything); South Africa 1937 Coronation issue of KGVI, singles or bi-lingual pairs.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Dec 22, 2013 21:00:07 GMT
ISRAEL [Continued]. Masad or Maor ATM labels. These were dispensed by the Postal Teller and for any value. Tariffed sets also exist for some issues. There are many types and I do not have examples of them all. Computerized Post Office Labels. 1991- Regular and Registered.  1993- Israel-Rumania Stamp Exhibition [My first Exhibition in Israel !  ]  Here's a sheet of 10 especially prepared for 'Jerusalem 2006'. Tete-Beche  Edit: The labels above were erringly placed by me in this topic but as I knew (doh!) and others will now they are NOT strictly ATM labels. Having said that they are often placed in that category in lists and dealers lots. Sima or Doarmat ATM's. New machines were introduced in 2004 [Sima] and these dispensed Self-Adhesive labels with Kiss Die-Cut 'margins' at left and right which left the label with straight corners once affixed to the envelope. These were/are lovingly called Doarmat Labels in Israel !! Below are two examples in Tariffed sets, the first from 'Telabul 2004' and the latter commemorating the 800th Death anniversary of Maimonides.   Next up, Christmas Greetings !  Londonbus1
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Londonbus1
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Cinderella Stamp Club Member 3059
Posts: 5,075
What I collect: Wonderland; 1912 Jubilee International Stamp Exhibition, London ('Ideal' Stamp, ephemera); French Cinderellas with an emphasis on Poster Stamps; Israel and Palestine Cinderellas ; Jewish National Fund Stamps, Labels and Tags; London 2010, A Festival of Stamps (anything); South Africa 1937 Coronation issue of KGVI, singles or bi-lingual pairs.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Dec 22, 2013 21:14:10 GMT
ISRAEL [Continued] MERRY CHRISTMAS ! Israel being a Jewish Nation do not celebrate Christmas as a whole and there are no Christmas Stamps. But due to the influx of Christians and Russian Orthodox as well as tourists, Israel [from 1992] has issued an ATM label. Those shown below are the first 4 years, single examples of each [1 design for each year]. After 2004, they were from the Sima machines. They are rather nice designs. So from Israel, that's about all for now. I will add any others I find or come across but these are all I have in my albums. They will all be going up for sale soon. If anyone wishes to see more, here is a good list [though not complete]. www.ateeme.net/anglesw/aisrael_am.htmAs I said before....have a very Happy Chrismas !! 1992-1995 not in any particular order !!     Londonbus1..... 
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Post by stampgeezer on Dec 24, 2013 2:07:35 GMT
If this is in the wrong place, feel free to move as needed. This atm is from France dated 1/2/2000. It is denominated at (I guess) 1 fr or .15 euros. I don't collect these, but it was in an album I picked up several months ago.  |
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rod222
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What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
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Post by rod222 on Sept 6, 2015 21:25:32 GMT
Search Text : Frama ATM Klussendorf Catalogue : I think I paid around $8 Does not include Germany.  |
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Ryan
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What I collect: If I have a catalogue for it, I collect it. And I have many catalogues ....
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Post by Ryan on Sept 7, 2015 4:21:39 GMT
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Post by daniel on Jun 6, 2022 23:58:48 GMT
I have a nice collection of these from the early days. I'll start with Great Britain then work alphabetically. Four postcards with a variety of first day postmarks, for 1st May 1984. A House of Commons postmark on a National Postal Museum postcard depicting a 1930s scene outside the King Edward Building, London. Showing the statue of Rowland Hill and an Airmail postbox and car. A Frama dispensing machine, London E C Cambridge and National Postal Museum cancellations  |
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Post by daniel on Jun 7, 2022 0:31:54 GMT
First Day Covers from the first 5 mail centres that issued these 'Royal Mail Postage Labels'. Edinburgh, London EC, Southampton, Cambridge and Windsor.    |
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Post by daniel on Jun 9, 2022 3:24:00 GMT
A Royal Mail customer notification and an order form.  |
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Post by daniel on Jun 9, 2022 4:23:09 GMT
Aland, an autonomous region of Finland. Frama labels were first issued on 29th October 1984. A first day postcard, Mariehamn hand stamp, and mint examples from 1984, 1986 and 1987 showing annual increments in postal rates. All on engraved multiple posthorn paper.  |
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Post by daniel on Jun 9, 2022 5:21:14 GMT
Aland A new design with engraved swirls paper from 1990. Followed by another new design from 1993 with 2 shades of paper with the Aland post office posthorn emblem. Then, an issue for Mare Balticum (The Baltic Sea) 1995 Stamp Exhibition. Finally, a selection of new designs with pre-printed paper with various coloured designs, so only the value was printed by the Frama machine and finally, labels showing the switch to the euro currency in 1999.  |
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Post by daniel on Jun 10, 2022 3:02:10 GMT
Australia Starting with a cover from 1983 with a GPO counter label, which looks like a shop receipt, but still a vended label. Although any such items with a printed date are not listed in ATM catalogues. Followed by Australia's first genuine ATMs issued on 22nd February 1984. The codes represent the following post offices: 2000 Sydney 2601 Canberra 3000 Melbourne 4000 Brisbane 5000 Adelaide 5790 Darwin (not shown) 6000 Perth 7000 Hobart  A first day card for Adelaide:  |
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Post by daniel on Jun 10, 2022 3:15:12 GMT
A page from the Australian Stamp Bulletin:  |
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Post by daniel on Jun 10, 2022 3:31:53 GMT
Australia On 22nd October 1985, the design changed to kangaroos, preprinted on the paper. A first day cover from Canberra:  Four examples, from 4 different post offices, shown on postcards depicting a Frama machine and cancelled at Philatelia '85 in Cologne, November 1985.  |
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Post by daniel on Jun 11, 2022 4:26:11 GMT
Australia The paper design would switch to the Platypus in 1986, the Echidna in 1987, the Ring Tailed Possum in 1988 and the Frilled Lizard in 1989. Included are stamp exhibition overprints for Cup-Pex 1987, Aeropex 1988 and Sydpex 1988.  An A25 unidentified paper label, a specimen label and International Stamp Exhibition, Essen 90 overprint. Koala paper 1990 Emu paper 1992  Aboriginal Art, 1999 Australia 1999 World Philatelic Exhibition  |
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tobben63
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Post by tobben63 on Jun 15, 2022 19:56:39 GMT
I do not collect Frama labels, but I have a lot laying around. Here is a Frama - Åland FDC  |
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tobben63
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Post by tobben63 on Jun 15, 2022 20:23:52 GMT
Some from Belgium  |
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Post by gstamps on Jun 16, 2022 6:12:57 GMT
It is the only ATM issued in West Berlin on May 4, 1987. I have two sets of values 10 at 300 Pf and 5 at 145 Pf with Berlin 12 souvenir cancel dated 04.05.1987. I couldn't understand the explanations in Michel's catalog: Erstagg OA (were there other issues in 1989 and 1991?), at series 10 at 300 Pf what is the difference between TS1 and VS1 ?. I need German collectors (or German speakers) to understand the translations. Could other values be used or only those in the series? Thanks for any help.   |
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Post by daniel on Jun 16, 2022 23:24:56 GMT
It is the only ATM issued in West Berlin on May 4, 1987. I have two sets of values 10 at 300 Pf and 5 at 145 Pf with Berlin 12 souvenir cancel dated 04.05.1987. I couldn't understand the explanations in Michel's catalog: Erstagg OA (were there other issues in 1989 and 1991?), at series 10 at 300 Pf what is the difference between TS1 and VS1 ?. I need German collectors (or German speakers) to understand the translations. Could other values be used or only those in the series? Thanks for any help. Automaten-Tastensatze (TS) means automatic keypad sets (sometimes referred to as button sets). That is, these are the stamps available by pressing the buttons on the Klussendorf machines shown earlier in the catalogue (maybe pages 12 and 13 in your catalogue). 14 buttons so 14 different values. Versandstellan-Satze (VS) means Dispatch or shipping point sets. I'm not 100% sure, but this probably means that these values were only available from the post office counter. In 1989 and 1991, there must have been postage rate increases and the buttons changed accordingly as shown in the catalogue. I don't think it was possible to obtain any other values although this was possible in countries using Frama machines. Hope this helps, Daniel |
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Post by gstamps on Jun 17, 2022 4:39:26 GMT
daniel, thanks for the explanations. I searched Klussendorf and found this device. There are 14 keys (see red arrow) corresponding to the 14 setpoints. I couldn't understand the difference between TS1 and VS1. My first set of 14 stamps is Mi 1TS1 or Mi 1VS1? 
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cara
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What I collect: Germany (FRG, GDR, Berlin); occupied Germany 1945-1949, Deutsches Reich 1872-1945, Switzerland, USA (newbie)
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Post by cara on Jun 17, 2022 11:26:15 GMT
gstampsso called "Tastensätze" TS are directly from a stamp automat like Klussendorf so called "Versandstellensätze" VS are usually from a stamp-subscription and were sent to the stamp collector by Deutsche Post AG (mint or with postmark, the collector is free to decide what he wants) for completion: so called "Automaten-Restwertsätze" RS are stamps you receive instead of money (e.g. you need a 60 Pf stamp, you put 1 DM into the automat, you receive the 60 Pf stamp and a 40 pf stamp instead of 40 pf in coins); do not asked me how to differentiate these stamps your stamps are VS. cara
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Post by gstamps on Jun 17, 2022 11:41:44 GMT
cara, thanks, now it's very clear.
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Post by daniel on Jun 17, 2022 23:21:41 GMT
Austria Austria's first Frama labels issued 1st June 1983. Examples on a postcard postmarked Vienna. The second series redesigned on a postcard, first day 11th May 1988. Austria would later switch to using Klussendorf machines, two Philatelie.shop designs purchased from a Stampex. Finally, a souvenir card from Naba Zuri stamp exhibition, June/July 1984.   |
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cursus
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What I collect: Catalan Cinderellas. Used Switzerland, UK, Scandinavia, Germany & Austria. Postal History of Barcelona & Estonia. Catalonia pictorial postmarks.
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Post by cursus on Jun 18, 2022 11:07:08 GMT
Spain, March, 2001. "Palau Nacional". Built, on the slopes of Montjuïc hill, for the Barcelona 1929 International exhibition, since 1932 it houses Catalonia's National Art Museum (MNAC).
Circulated on October 2001, it has a face value of 40 peseta (0.24 €)
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ameis33
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What's in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet
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Post by ameis33 on Jun 19, 2022 17:11:09 GMT
I don't collect ATM, but me too i have someone of them in my collection VATICAN CITY. The very first issue is missing, but all the others should be here (am i correct, or there are more?)   SWITZERLAND. A selection  BTW! Switzerland is the name, Swiss the adjective, is it? |
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Post by daniel on Jun 21, 2022 3:25:37 GMT
I don't collect ATM, but me too i have someone of them in my collection VATICAN CITY. The very first issue is missing, but all the others should be here (am i correct, or there are more?) BTW! Switzerland is the name, Swiss the adjective, is it? There was 1 more issue in 2008 depicting the Saint Peter's Square Colonnade available with two different numerical fonts. I'll show the first set later. Yes, in response to your Switzerland/Swiss question 😁 |
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Post by daniel on Jun 21, 2022 4:17:50 GMT
Belgium Frama labels were first issued on 16th November 1981 from 56 post offices. Various types were issued especially for exhibitions, as shown below. Including Belgica 82, Europhilex 87, Bruphila 87 and Belgica 90. Klussendorf machines were introduced on 2nd June 1990 and were used simultaneously with Frama machines. First Day card shown along with various covers and card.     |
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salentin
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collecting Germany,where I live and about 20 more countries,half of them in Asia east of the Indus
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Post by salentin on Jun 21, 2022 13:12:12 GMT
Ireland issued the first ATM-labels in an experimental trial in 1990. Just three machines:
upper Frama machine in Dublin middle Amiel machine in Cork lower Klüssendorf in Limerik The labels were sold for about seven months only. However the Philatelic Service in Dublin provided sets of 5 labels (26,30,34,41,50 P.) to collectors.
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salentin
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collecting Germany,where I live and about 20 more countries,half of them in Asia east of the Indus
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Post by salentin on Jun 22, 2022 17:50:25 GMT
On April 6th,1992 An Post (irish post office) issued their 4th ATM-label. This ran for about seven years till 1999. The philatelic service sold a stock-card with one label from each of the ten Frama-machines, installed in Ireland. There were no more ATM-labels for nearly ten years till 2008.
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ameis33
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What's in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet
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What I collect: Poland and Italy Republic
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Post by ameis33 on Jun 28, 2022 19:45:26 GMT
Polish ATM are not so beautiful. Just a label with few inscriptions... Are they listed on the Michel? Can someone send me the pages?  |
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