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Post by PostmasterGS on Nov 19, 2014 7:47:08 GMT
Rod, The revenues are statistical fee stamps from 1923. They're cataloged in Erler as AF25. The "In Deutschland Zollpflichtig" is a duty stamp. Certain goods were subject to customs duties on export from Germany. This label was attached to indicate that the customs fees had been paid. The "Zollstück" labels are customs stamps. The "Hauptzollamt" is from the Main Customs Office in Kehl.
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Post by rod222 on Nov 19, 2014 8:53:05 GMT
Rod, The revenues are statistical fee stamps from 1923. They're cataloged in Erler as AF25. Fabulous! Postmaster. I'll print your response and have it on the facing page, in my album. Any idea what a "statistical fee" would encompass? usage? What type of department would issue these? PS: Like Erler's icon for perforations
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Post by rod222 on Nov 19, 2014 9:03:18 GMT
Stamp Dictionary : Regarding Erler's "Quatrefoil"
Quatrefoil : See Rosace
Rosace: the embossed or impressed device found on the loose flap of an envelope with a pattern of interlaced circles, the lines are sunk and the interweaving portions are in relief; in imitation of the old-fashioned wafer used in sealing. (The Statistics stamps have a design of interlaced circles)
Source : "Askphil"
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Post by PostmasterGS on Nov 19, 2014 17:54:40 GMT
Rod,
I'm not 100% sure, but this is my understanding of the purpose.
At that time, Germany had a Statistical Office that tracked a variety of data with an eye toward economic improvements. The data was vast -- everything from employment numbers and factory production to bicycle usage. Much of the data was acquired by requiring businesses and individuals to file certain documents with the Statistical Office. And being the government, there was a fee associated with the filing.
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Post by rod222 on Dec 9, 2014 21:38:22 GMT
Germany Postmarks on Mutilated Stationery. I have lost my Identification notes on the Yacht "Slogan" ? image. (Weimar pmk) The ink does not match the Circular Date stamp (CDS) Is this a postmark, as such?
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Post by PostmasterGS on Dec 9, 2014 22:08:05 GMT
Rod, That's the first time I've seen that yacht. It's definitely not part of the cancel. It almost looks like a cachet or something similar on the envelope. Let me see if I can find any additional info on it. The yacht is the Hohenzollern II, BTW.
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Post by rod222 on Dec 9, 2014 22:28:22 GMT
Rod, That's the first time I've seen that yacht. It's definitely not part of the cancel. It almost looks like a cachet or something similar on the envelope. Let me see if I can find any additional info on it. The yacht is the Hohenzollern II, BTW. Thanks Postmaster, Most of the "Manila" coloured shards, I would guess come from Newspaper Wrappers (I am not au fait with German Stationery) but the 25 pf value tablet would not support that suggestion? I have lost your original advice on the "Yacht" postmark, all I can think it was on a stamp other than Germany, I have looked high and low, if you can re-visit that postmark, I would be delighted.
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Post by rod222 on Dec 9, 2014 22:39:25 GMT
Hohenzollern ...scrapped in 1923 A beautiful example of a triple expansion reciprocating steam engine. Modern destroyers employ the same function albeit through a turbine chain.
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Post by PostmasterGS on Dec 10, 2014 19:46:18 GMT
Rod,
I think the previous post to which you're referring was on SCF, and it dealt with flaggenstempel cancels of the 1930-1940s rather than yacht cancels. Honestly, I know of no yacht cancels - the yacht stamps fell out of use about 10-20 years before slogan or commemorative cancels became widespread in Germany.
When I get a chance tomorrow, I'll post a new thread about the flaggenstempel cancels.
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Post by rod222 on Dec 10, 2014 20:07:29 GMT
Rod, I think the previous post to which you're referring was on SCF, and it dealt with flaggenstempel cancels of the 1930-1940s rather than yacht cancels. Honestly, I know of no yacht cancels - the yacht stamps fell out of use about 10-20 years before slogan or commemorative cancels became widespread in Germany. When I get a chance tomorrow, I'll post a new thread about the flaggenstempel cancels. Thanks a bunch, Postmaster. I have retrieved the information, now I have to find my example. ( It was my misuse of the term "yacht cancels") No need to repost on my part, unless you want to show other members the information.
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Post by rod222 on Jan 19, 2015 3:54:08 GMT
Germany Sundry Revenues.
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Post by PostmasterGS on Jan 19, 2015 14:04:03 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Jan 19, 2015 17:35:07 GMT
Wow! Postmaster...beyond the call of duty (there may be a faint pun there, somewhere) That is fabulous. Myself, and all the collectors that inherit my collection, with the stamps identified.......we thank you. This calls for a reward, I'll see if I can dig up a nice postmark for your viewing...................... Hermes, with winged Petasos (or, as one member here affectionately called him... "The Winged Hat Guy")
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Post by PostmasterGS on Jan 19, 2015 18:03:43 GMT
That's a nice one. Bochmann Berlin S384, 1 Oct 1943, commemorating the Gemeinschaft Deutscher Sammler e.V. (a German stamp collecting association) and Stamp Day (Tag der Briefmarke).
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Post by rod222 on Jan 19, 2015 18:16:42 GMT
As the man with the steak knives, was want to utter, "Wait! there's more" Paper: Very thin / fine, would perhaps suggest not of the postal family, perhaps internal office stationery?
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Post by PostmasterGS on Jan 19, 2015 18:49:43 GMT
Rod, During WWII, Germany censored all mail coming from or going to foreign countries. There were initially two large censorship stations (Berlin and Königsberg), but eventually they had to open many more due to the volume. Mail that had been censored received a censor mark. If there was no need to cut open the envelope (usually only for mail posted at the censorship station), a simple censor handstamp could be used. If there was a need to cut open the envelope, the censor would reseal the envelope with tape and apply a handstamp, or ideally use closure tape with the censor seal pre-printed on it. That's what you have. "Geprüft" literally means proofed or tested. " Oberkommando der Wehrmacht" was the German High Command.
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Post by rod222 on Jan 19, 2015 19:06:28 GMT
All stamps re-mounted. Thanks for adding spice and interest to my albums, and expanding philatelic knowledge.
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Post by randyharper on Jan 19, 2015 19:42:38 GMT
The BOB stamps are really coming into their own. Can't wait for someone bankroll printing of comprehensive world wide BOB issues or at the least World Wide Revenues. Certainly a monumental task, but I think it would sell. Very very interesting stamps as always Rod. Thanks for posting and thanks to Postmaster for the background.
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Post by rod222 on Jan 20, 2015 8:51:34 GMT
German Austria 1919 Cinderella ? This would have been a tough nut to crack, if not for the internet, and a very inquisitive young lady. Schroder DO KONTROLL STEMPEL J Henry Schroder & Co N M Rothschild & Sons To be re-mounted in Steiner Page fashion.
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Post by PostmasterGS on Jan 22, 2015 18:36:01 GMT
Wow, Rod! Thanks for mentioning my website on your page! I feel like Navin R. Johnson.
If you need additional or better scans of the revenue information, let me know. I only scanned the portions of the listing that contained your specific items, and I didn't post them at a very high resolution.
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Post by rod222 on Jan 23, 2015 0:54:01 GMT
Wow, Rod! Thanks for mentioning my website on your page! I feel like Navin R. Johnson. If you need additional or better scans of the revenue information, let me know. I only scanned the portions of the listing that contained your specific items, and I didn't post them at a very high resolution. Hahahaha Onya Navin! Who amongst us, cannot remember our first appearance in the Phonebook, I certainly can. Your scans are fine Postmaster, my collection is mine (whilst I am caretaker) and I like to recall where I get information and my stamp gifts from other members. The late Danish Collector Mette Heindorff used to do likewise, on her beautiful Internet pages, I just copied her nice behaviour. I foresee collectors will still be using your digital collection 100 years hence, one of the great Philatelic sites, alongside Romaniastamps.com We are privileged to have you here.
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Post by rod222 on Jan 24, 2015 16:31:14 GMT
Germany Poster Stamps Ludwig Hohlwein Flanschen Rohre Mannesmann Dusseldorf Pipe Manufacturers
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Post by rod222 on Feb 1, 2015 5:38:57 GMT
Saxony Revenues. 1875 and 1895 With my Watermark (1895) "Diagonal Wavy Lines" How does one ascertain whether it be "ascending" or "descending" ? (My example is shown as would be from the front of the stamp)
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Post by PostmasterGS on Feb 1, 2015 9:28:37 GMT
Rod,
Erler-Norton notes that "Indications on watermarks are to be understood in looking at the front side of the stamps." So I would say that is an ascending watermark.
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Post by rod222 on Feb 11, 2015 7:38:05 GMT
Germany Sundry Material. Unlisted Booklet pane?
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Post by PostmasterGS on Feb 11, 2015 12:19:09 GMT
Rod, Here's some additional info on your latest. Nothing special about the initial 10 Pf issues, assuming your ID is correct. There were identical issues with lozenge watermark that can be found in about 9 major variations (peace printings in 4 colors, war printings in 5 colors), but the unwatermarked are but a single type in Michel. Before I get to the rest, a short primer on German booklets, panes, and sheets. The German booklets (Markenheftchen, or MH) contain panes (Heftchenblättern, or H.Bl.) which were printed in booklet sheets (Markenheftchenbogen, or MHB). The booklet sheets were cut down to pane size to form the panes, but also sold at philatelic counters intact. This allows certain combinations that appear to be from a booklet, but can only have come from the booklet sheet due to the placement of the stamps. Also, in German, the particular combinations are referred to as Zusammendrucke, and most combinations of three or fewer stamps are cataloged in Michel's specialized catalogs. The tete-beche block is from booklet sheet MiNr MHB 5. The individual tete-beche pairs are catalogued as MiNr KZ 1. The strip of three is a combination from MiNr MHB 4. As it's 3 stamps tall, it could not have come from a booklet pane, as they were only 2 stamps tall. It is cataloged in Michel as MiNr S16. The remaining booklet pane is MiNr H-Bl. 28A. The "A" denotes that the perforations run all the way through the left margin. Hope this helps.
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Post by rod222 on Feb 11, 2015 22:01:41 GMT
Rod, Here's some additional info on your latest. Thank you Postmaster, that is splendid. Thanks for your time spent in such a detailed response, as you can see, a lot of members appreciate and enjoy the treatise. The 10 pfennig are correctly ID'd , all 1902 unwatermarked and unhinged. Took me a time to figure the Booklet format, till I figured the 10 pf Orange "wrap around" the Blue, in the booklet pane. assumed: Michel does not have a word for "Interpanneau" ? Those are not normal "tete-beche" (separated by a gutter and "Pillars") Your post assisted me to read my 1963 German Michel (General) Catalogue, albeit, not as detailed in information, as your response. Top Stuff! I'll make labels to update the Identification of the pieces. Confirmation Scott does not list a Booklet pane format for the 40pf carmine.
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Post by PostmasterGS on Feb 11, 2015 22:30:55 GMT
Rod,
Michel doesn't really have a specialized word equal to Interpanneau (had to look that one up in English myself!). Michel uses the terms "Kehrdruck" (tete-beche) and "Kehrdruck mit Zwischensteg" (tete-beche with gutter). "Kehr" means flipped or reciprocal, and "druck" means printing.
Those terms are also the genesis for the catalog numbers ("K" denotes tete-beche, "KZ" denotes tete-beche with gutter).
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Post by rod222 on Feb 11, 2015 23:37:34 GMT
For Interest Tete-beche interpanneau pair Germany : "Kehrdruck mit Zwischensteg" (tete-beche with gutter). Netherlands : Brugparen Interpanneaux pair (note panneaux with x) France : Interpanneau = gutter Germany with "pillars" and GB sheet with "Ladders" and "Jubilee Lines"
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Post by rod222 on Mar 13, 2015 0:02:04 GMT
Germany Unknown. Unsure of Fugitive ink, so left on document shard.
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