Jerry B
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Post by Jerry B on Jan 19, 2014 17:52:36 GMT
Hi Based on this forum we might need a Vegemite forum. From the internet (Comments from Googling Vegemite Ingredients): Now, since it is beer leftovers, why not just drink the beer? ? Does OZ likes it's beer in solid form Jerry B
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Philatarium
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Post by Philatarium on Jan 19, 2014 19:25:06 GMT
From the internet (Comments from Googling Vegemite Ingredients): There's a chain of grocery stores here that until recently was British owned, and still has a small section of home-country items, including Marmite. I may have to take the plunge, although it's a $4+ impulse item, rather than, say, a $2 impulse item. -- Dave
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Post by Jen B on Jan 27, 2014 3:52:10 GMT
I had whole album full of those sello/scotch/sticky tape hinged stamps. I worked for a while on how to clean them as the damage is one which is similar to fat on paper or clothes. I used different mixtures of solvents ,starting from 100% hydrocarbon (eg zippo) to blends of hydrocarbon and alcohol(eg methylated spirits) followed with a longish bath in warm water with detergent it was reasonably successful with most of the stamps. So I decided to try out some of Perfs14 ideas on removing tape stains from stamps on a few examples I had laying around. First the stamps were soaked (outside on the porch) in Ronsol lighter fluid. This was followed by a short soak in isoproply alcohol, then a bath in hot water with detergent. As the scans below show, this process cleaned them up somewhat. They do look better than before, but the stains are still there. I think the hot water may have been a bad idea (as some of the colors faded) and should have stuck with Perfs14 suggestion of just warm water. Also, maybe the below freezing temps out on the porch reduced the effect of the Ronsol. Before image (front and back) on the left, after on the right. This stamp may just have a lot of "hinge crud" on the back and not tape stains. It did have gum too, but not any more. This one faded quite a bit, probably from the hot water and detergent.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jan 27, 2014 6:09:20 GMT
Impressive stuff, Jen B "Bring 'em back alive" most of the stamps there, would pass muster on a page, if not, suitable "space fillers" and you have saved them from the bin. I would advise "always" use cold water, heat is the enemy. NEVER soak Netherlands Indies stamps, the ink disappears before your eyes. (fugitive)
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Post by I.L.S. on Jan 27, 2014 11:09:36 GMT
Old envelope flaps was a common one too.
That Dorian fruit tastes like an old sock wrapped up in a dead animal but smells even worse...terrible! I been hotels that have signs banning them from the property..ee-yuk!
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Post by I.L.S. on Jan 27, 2014 11:12:11 GMT
I had whole album full of those sello/scotch/sticky tape hinged stamps. I worked for a while on how to clean them as the damage is one which is similar to fat on paper or clothes. I used different mixtures of solvents ,starting from 100% hydrocarbon (eg zippo) to blends of hydrocarbon and alcohol(eg methylated spirits) followed with a longish bath in warm water with detergent it was reasonably successful with most of the stamps. So I decided to try out some of Perfs14 ideas on removing tape stains from stamps on a few examples I had laying around. First the stamps were soaked (outside on the porch) in Ronsol lighter fluid. This was followed by a short soak in isoproply alcohol, then a bath in hot water with detergent. As the scans below show, this process cleaned them up somewhat. They do look better than before, but the stains are still there. I think the hot water may have been a bad idea (as some of the colors faded) and should have stuck with Perfs14 suggestion of just warm water. Also, maybe the below freezing temps out on the porch reduced the effect of the Ronsol. Before image (front and back) on the left, after on the right. This stamp may just have a lot of "hinge crud" on the back and not tape stains. It did have gum too, but not any more. This one faded quite a bit, probably from the hot water and detergent. WOW! They seem to have cleaned up pretty well! Congrats!
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Post by Perfs14 on Jan 27, 2014 15:18:38 GMT
Well done Jen B! My results were pretty similar. Your treatment seemed to clean-up a lot of the foxing as well.
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Post by lokos on Jan 28, 2014 10:06:45 GMT
Thanks for sharing that Jen and for posting scans of the results. The same as everybody else, I've had stamps that just got pitched that I wished hadn't because I thought they were a lost cause, nice to know there might be an alternative.
Jen & Perfs14.....What did you use for a "detergent" in the water bath, just dish-soap or something else?
Rick
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Post by Perfs14 on Jan 28, 2014 11:53:34 GMT
I used some diluted (just a few drops) dish washing detergent. I was going to use some laundry liquid as these are more directly designed for cotton/cellulose products, but many have optical brighteners (to make clothes look whiter than they are)so I changed my mind.
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Post by lokos on Jan 28, 2014 12:43:00 GMT
Thank you Dish soap and laundry detergent were the two I was thinking but I was hesitant on the laundry soap for exactly the reasons you mentioned.
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Post by Jen B on Jan 29, 2014 3:52:23 GMT
Jen & Perfs14.....What did you use for a "detergent" in the water bath, just dish-soap or something else? Rick Rick, I used the same as Perfs14, just a few drops of dish detergent. Found a few more tape-stained stamps when sorting through an old mixture that I'm going to experiment on. This time I'm going to scan between the Ronsol and the washing stage to compare each step. Won't use hot water this time and might try Orvus paste instead of dish detergent. Orvus is closer to plain old soap than dish detergent.
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Post by lokos on Jan 29, 2014 10:06:09 GMT
Jen & Perfs14.....What did you use for a "detergent" in the water bath, just dish-soap or something else? Rick Rick, I used the same as Perfs14, just a few drops of dish detergent. Found a few more tape-stained stamps when sorting through an old mixture that I'm going to experiment on. This time I'm going to scan between the Ronsol and the washing stage to compare each step. Won't use hot water this time and might try Orvus paste instead of dish detergent. Orvus is closer to plain old soap than dish detergent. Thanks Jen, I look forward to hearing/seeing your results.
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Jan 30, 2014 12:13:22 GMT
I was going to use some laundry liquid as these are more directly designed for cotton/cellulose products, but many have optical brighteners (to make clothes look whiter than they are)so I changed my mind. Chlorinated water will also brighten stamp paper somewhat because it acts as a bleach (Clorox has the name it does for a reason, chlorine is the base ingredient for bleach). Bleaching is now a common part of the paper-making process to whiten the paper fibres as much as possible. Most people who live in a city will have a chlorinated water supply so soaking stamps in tap water can change paper colour for most of us. This is most noticeable on old stamps from before the days when brightening agents and bleached paper was common. In Canada, paper doesn't show any brightness under UV light until the issues of the early 1960s, and the truly white paper doesn't come into use until perhaps the late 1960s. Ryan
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Post by Perfs14 on Jan 30, 2014 23:02:07 GMT
Jen & Perfs14.....What did you use for a "detergent" in the water bath, just dish-soap or something else? Rick Rick, I used the same as Perfs14, just a few drops of dish detergent. Found a few more tape-stained stamps when sorting through an old mixture that I'm going to experiment on. This time I'm going to scan between the Ronsol and the washing stage to compare each step. Won't use hot water this time and might try Orvus paste instead of dish detergent. Orvus is closer to plain old soap than dish detergent. Personally, I would stay far away from 'plain old soaps' as these are very alkaline and they may really affect the paper and the ink quite badly - even if the damage is not immediately apparent. Dish-washing detergents are usually non-ionic surfactants and tend to be pH close to neutral. pH balanced shampoo might be something to try.
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Post by Jen B on Jan 31, 2014 3:43:26 GMT
Personally, I would stay far away from 'plain old soaps' as these are very alkaline and they may really affect the paper and the ink quite badly - even if the damage is not immediately apparent. Dish-washing detergents are usually non-ionic surfactants and tend to be pH close to neutral. pH balanced shampoo might be something to try. Thanks for the warning! By closer to plain old soap I was thinking of something with less additives than dish detergent. This is how Orvus is described at one website: Sounds like it is probably about the same as dish detergent. You are right that plain old soap should rightly describe something like old-fashioned lye soap.
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Post by Perfs14 on Jan 31, 2014 18:57:28 GMT
Sounds good Jen. I misunderstood what what you meant, sorry about that.
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darkormex
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Post by darkormex on Mar 2, 2019 22:59:03 GMT
I have been working on mounting classic Belgium today and have a complete used set of 4 of the International Water Exhibition Liege, 1939. Two of the stamps have tape stains and I was searching for a way to possibly recover these stamps. I found this old thread that I thought might be useful for others that have had to deal with this issue recently. As I read through it I noticed some good advice that I am going to try. Below are Sc. no. 318 and 320.
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kostia84
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Post by kostia84 on Mar 3, 2019 21:54:47 GMT
Please update us on the results. And write what you used for cleaning. Thanks
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darkormex
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Post by darkormex on Mar 9, 2019 2:58:52 GMT
kostia84, you asked for an update and here it is below. Initially I tried to use Pure Citrus and it had some effect but the tape stain remained on the stamps. So I went with the method described in this thread and gave it a good soak using simple dish detergent and warm water and let it set overnight. Here are the results. Pretty darn good.
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darkormex
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Post by darkormex on Mar 9, 2019 3:01:50 GMT
I'm also about to do the same thing with this pair from the King Albert in a Trench Helmet issue of 1919. These two are Sc.nos.127 and 128.
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Post by kostia84 on Mar 9, 2019 6:29:05 GMT
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janetc
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Post by janetc on Mar 19, 2019 16:41:32 GMT
Mine go into the damaged stamp bag. Things like this get me really upset. I bought an album on ebay a couple years ago and almost every stamp was in there using scotch tape. I messaged the seller and told him that was unacceptable and got my money back and got to keep the album. Nice binder but BAD stamps.
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Post by bobstew617 on May 16, 2020 12:00:45 GMT
as I am looking at theose stamps ruined by tape, it just brings back bad memories, oh the HORROR ! janetc -- I LOVE Your avatar! My favorite dragon is the WELSH dragon, a tip to my ancestry!
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Post by daveg28 on May 16, 2020 14:24:01 GMT
A friend recently gave me a collection that was his from his childhood, and his grandmother’s. His collection had a lot of stamps mounted with scotch tape. Heartbreaking, but nothing valuable was ruined. I was more interested in the U.S. annual collection and folders from the 70’s and 80’s that he gave me. Unfortunately, those were damaged as well. It appeared to be moisture damage. All the stamps were stuck in the folder. I haven’t had the heart to tell him, as he is a good friend.
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