tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Feb 28, 2017 19:58:12 GMT
The down side of sorting by letter is that you then have to sort each letter by country -- I like to go straight from chaos to country but it requires space for the potentially large number of piles.
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firstfrog2013
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Feb 28, 2017 21:30:14 GMT
Well Chris, come on over.Seems the fun never ends here.And camp is a little over a month away now.The deadline is set as I must start work shortly after the 1st of April.I'll be putting in OT on this box.
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 28, 2017 21:48:25 GMT
Oh, man! If I was even in the same time zone, Frog, I would start driving right now....
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Lila Schatten
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Post by Lila Schatten on Mar 1, 2017 1:03:09 GMT
Oh, man! If I was even in the same time zone, Frog, I would start driving right now.... All in favor of meeting up at Frog's house say "I". I!
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Lila Schatten
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Post by Lila Schatten on Mar 1, 2017 1:07:10 GMT
Now for the teeny tiny issue of airfare...
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firstfrog2013
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Mar 2, 2017 3:24:35 GMT
Chris and Edith maybe you should meet me at Mom's I found a couple more boxes of stamps hiding there,as well as a few old album collections to go through. I thought she was running low on stuff last year so I bought her a large lot of material to add to her collection.Seems I was just adding to the huge stockpile she had on hand.This is just the W/W stuff!I really need to pull through a large cabinet where she stashes her U.S..Just today I spotted a box she keeps mint blocks in splitting at the seams and in danger of spilling out it's contents.No idea what is truly lurking in that cabinet.
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Mar 2, 2017 4:02:46 GMT
Chris and Edith maybe you should meet me at Mom's I found a couple more boxes of stamps hiding there,as well as a few old album collections to go through. I thought she was running low on stuff last year so I bought her a large lot of material to add to her collection.Seems I was just adding to the huge stockpile she had on hand.This is just the W/W stuff!I really need to pull through a large cabinet where she stashes her U.S..Just today I spotted a box she keeps mint blocks in splitting at the seams and in danger of spilling out it's contents.No idea what is truly lurking in that cabinet. I can't believe my bad luck, Frog! There is nothing I would like better than to meet you and Edith there and take "as long as it takes" to work through the material. I wish I lived closer to you. I like sorting through stamps even better than mounting them in the albums....
Crazy way to look at it, I know, but what else can I say?
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firstfrog2013
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Mar 2, 2017 13:04:21 GMT
Well to all my friends here an open invitation remains.If ever your in my neck of the forest find me! Lots of room either here or camp,a car is also at your command.Some great fishing,hunting and hiking right out the front door.Train station right across the river and bus station in town, either is do-able for me.
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Poodle_Mum
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Post by Poodle_Mum on Mar 3, 2017 3:35:29 GMT
I use the envelope by country method too. Then everything is in alphabetical order stored in a container.
I keep all my tongs in an eyeglass case so I never lose them. Granted I actually use 4 different sets of glasses personally everyday so I have to make sure they go back into the envelope box when I finish working with them or they'll get mixed up with my actual glasses! Lol
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firstfrog2013
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Mar 5, 2017 2:15:47 GMT
While somewhat thought out this idea is not working well owing to sheer volume.I used legal size envelopes marked A - X,Y,Z, they quickly became full,Now I either stop and sort each envelope by country or switch to 9X12 manillas to replace legal size.I also failed to think about the fact the stamps had settled in the box and the more I fluff them, they seemed to re-generate.Even though I've put in many hours already the box is just as full as when I began.I also have a number equal to what has been sorted that needs a soaking/drying process owing to Mom's poor storage. There are at least two more boxes waiting for their turn after this one.I do believe I've opened a Pandoras Box.
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Jerry B
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Post by Jerry B on Mar 5, 2017 10:11:27 GMT
Hi frog I never had as many stamps to sort as you are describing. In practice, if the volume was humongous, I would stop at a point and sort. Then, process the remainder. Only once did I have more than 1 "batch" of sorted stamps. The method was developed for a single country at any one time. According to your description, it seems you are trying to do many countries at once using my method. Truthfully, I don't think it would work . After getting everything in an A-Z folder, sort each A-Z folder by country, one folder at a time. Then use my method for each country. BTW: I never claimed that the sorting process was easy After a while it was boring , but, never easy. Jerry B
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firstfrog2013
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Mar 5, 2017 14:06:57 GMT
After sleeping on it ,I think its time to sort each envelope into countries then start the process over.It definitely speeds the whole thing using the alphabetical approach as the first step. I'll start envelopes for each major country and put the slimmer remainders inside glassines back in the letter envelopes.That way I may find more of them to warrant their own larger envelope. The major problem is my stamp table is so occupied I can't mount a single stamp right now. I think Sis bought this box at auction many years ago.It would have been when there was a local stamp store,which was at least ten years ago.
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Jerry B
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Post by Jerry B on Mar 5, 2017 15:26:27 GMT
Hi frog I have a small desk area to work on stamps. When I was doing sorting for the store,I would close the room door and work on the floor. The door was closed so that the cat would not think it was a neat litter box or cool toy Jerry B
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Mar 5, 2017 15:58:36 GMT
My small sorting area is frequently occupied by my Son's cat -- he gets quite aggravated when I shut him out of the room!
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Post by Jerry B on Mar 5, 2017 19:06:09 GMT
Hi Steve
I got used to the floor when I was programming RPG (had a lot of forms). The "stamp room" is the one that has the window the cat sits in. When I close the door, I will eventually hear scratching and see a paw sticking under the door to try to open it. This event is getting close to marital un-bliss as my wife thinks I am being cruel to the cat.
Jerry B
P.S, Nice cat! Almost like our second which was a 25 pound orange monster.
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firstfrog2013
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Mar 11, 2017 16:26:46 GMT
I'm feeling the pain of a long time away from WW issues.Many of the stamps I easily remember from my childhood,but others are a fleeting memory.I used to remember all the different Arabic scripts and oriental ones as well.I fear I have sorted many Persian issues into their wrong countries and sadly can't tell Chinese from Korean.I'll find my mistakes when I start cataloging these.And who added all these new countries to the map? The Russian republics are really challenging to sort as the names are unfamiliar to me.The stamp identifiers are all 35 miles away. In the meantime I plug away at the piles and get them ready to catalog.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Mar 15, 2017 2:47:24 GMT
Was a long time coming the last stamp has been emptied from all the bowls.We still need to do a final country sort but almost there.In the meantime I have these little gems among others waiting to be examined and mounted.That's a #150 imperf and #OA175 along with some company.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Mar 17, 2017 3:08:00 GMT
A gluten for punishment I brought home an over flowing cigar box of Mom's stuff to sort.I figured before I lose the envelopes I used for that box I might as well continue.Mom and I cataloged and mounted about 100 stamps together today.I was surprised at prices on Belize SS 's thought it was a wallpaper country, on the other hand Crete stamps looked like good stuff but not the case. There is still a large amount of stuff left in the batch I bought for her.Most of it MNH but large envelopes of used stamps as well.She was happily making pages and mounting while I did the cataloging.
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firstfrog2013
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Mar 19, 2017 15:43:56 GMT
I am over half way mark in final country sort and wish to share the following for those facing a large (poundage) sort. First my method of initial sort by letter is definitely the easiest way to work through the large volume especially for limited space. An improvement would have been a separate pile for the most common countries encountered.this of course will depend on your source but seems countries like Russia,Romania,Germany,and Hungary should rate their own piles. The use of larger manilla envelopes for each country is almost a given at least for the larger volume countries.For smaller countries legal size envelopes will work nicely.I folded the back flap over 1/2 way and stuck it to itself,labeling the country there for easily visibility. A basic major letter envelope catch all for country sort is used for countries with limited issues.These will be sorted at the end when you can then put them separately into their own envelope for cataloging. To speed the process a large envelope for unknowns is used this includes those that have heavy cancels that will require some extra louping time to identify. By working country sort one letter at a time things move along and give you easy stopping places,which allows time to clear up your work area. A shoebox or other suitable box to hold envelopes in alphabetical order is essential.I found another taller box to file the taller manillas upright also alphabetical. I used one set of legal size envelopes each labeled with letter to clear my table as piles grew.As they filled up I passed them to my spouse to country sort.If your working alone not to worry just make a new letter envelope and set the full one aside til country sort. I hope this helps.Sorting pounds of stamps is a task that can be conquered easily with just a little organizing. Now to tackle that envelope of unknowns......
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Post by nickmang on Feb 6, 2018 12:33:38 GMT
Great ideas I have thousands of stamps on paper. Mostly old ones Should I use similar methods before soaking?
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Post by Jerry B on Feb 6, 2018 18:38:13 GMT
Hi nickmang Personally I wouldn't soak all of them before sorting into "piles". Soak a batch and when that batch is dry, sort them into any piles you want, I assume by country, which would be logical. You have to put the dried stamps someplace When all done, you can use my method to sort the country "piles". Just a suggestion. Jerry B
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 6, 2018 18:50:08 GMT
nickmang: Jerry ( Jerry B) makes a good point. One of the things I have learned along the way, when doing soaking and sorting, is to avoid sorting more than once, if you can. I found myself sorting the stamps by country, then soaking them, and then needing to sort them again after soaking. Now, I either soak them unsorted and sort afterwards, or keep them sorted while awaiting soaking, and then soak one country at a time to keep them organized throughout the process. Seems fairly basic, but I finally realized over time that I was spending more time on sorting than was really necessary.
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Feb 7, 2018 12:57:55 GMT
My practice is to sort by country, then soak (in manageable amounts), dry, identify, record (on my excel spreadsheets), scan (if I don't yet have an example), then mount or file.
When identifying, I use manila stock cards to temporarily house the stamps, making pencil notations of their catalog numbers. Once done, I'll mount the stamps missing from my album.
The remainder (duplicates or stamps without album spaces) will either remain in the manila stock sheet or be added to pre-existing sheets that I have already established for that country.
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