cara
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What I collect: Germany (FRG, GDR, Berlin); occupied Germany 1945-1949, Deutsches Reich 1872-1945, Switzerland, USA (newbie)
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Post by cara on Jan 3, 2022 22:39:41 GMT
Hi Peter brightonpete normally the numbers printed in Michel are for each single stamp. In your example "Michel special" lists only the number for the whole set of stamps with 10 Million. So in my opinion each of these stamps (#2589-2592) was printed 10 million times. Michel says "10 Millionen Sätze" so 10 million sets of these stamps. cara |
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Ryan
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What I collect: If I have a catalogue for it, I collect it. And I have many catalogues ....
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Post by Ryan on Jan 5, 2022 3:04:58 GMT
On yet another note: I seem to recall "dilemma" used to be spelled "dilemna."Does anyone else recall that, or is it just me?
Not just you, other people have thought that too. See this English Language & Usage Stack Exchange post ... I have great amounts of fun with the Google Ngrams Viewer. If you get fancy with it, you can turn your queries into mathematical expressions - here's a percentage graph showing how frequent the m-n spelling shows up - not so often, never more than 0.5% of all "dilemma" + "dilemna" usages. When it's that rare, it's just a moderately common spelling error.  Ryan |
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angore
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Post by angore on Jan 5, 2022 11:05:16 GMT
Maybe autocorrect has improved the spelling...
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Post by brightonpete on Jan 5, 2022 14:05:29 GMT
Dilemna was on the upswing in the 60's when I would have learned it. So some use it, some don't.
What a dilemna!
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Post by brightonpete on Mar 3, 2022 20:20:18 GMT
I'm slowly getting DDR done as for album pages, I'm working on 1986 now. I noticed Michel lists two varieties of Mi. 2973. "I" being RaTdr. and "II" being Odr. A quick search of the PDF came up empty for a glossary with an explanation of these contractions. But, luckily I remembered my German spreadsheet. It has a comprehensive listing of translated words and contractions, so I was able to figure out what's what. Actually, a perf gauge is all that's needed with this stamp, thanks to Scott's. Just printed out 10 more pages and I'm only through ⅔'s of the year! And dang - that spreadsheet is sadly out of date. All of them are!
Once that is done, I have to figure out the definitives. After the 5 Year Plan's- they get easier! Make up the pages for them, airmails, officials... anything else? I tried to keep everything chronologically ordered, but that didn't work out. That's OK, everything will have its place when I am done.
Then I have to update those spreadsheets!
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salentin
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collecting Germany,where I live and about 20 more countries,half of them in Asia east of the Indus
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Post by salentin on Mar 6, 2022 17:12:17 GMT
Never had a look at the header,so I did not realize the different perforations. However the stamps look quite different and are easy to distinguish...if you have both versions. upper: Photo-print (RaTdr),uneven appearance,best to be seen on the dark parts of the arches lower: Litho -print (Odr.),even surfaces,clear inscriptions Enlargement maybe helpful.
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Post by brightonpete on Mar 26, 2022 14:30:20 GMT
I've set Canada aside for now, trying to finish off the final years of East Germany. I'm in 1987 and was just wondering...
In the Fire Engines set, Michel (3101-3104) notes this after the 70pf value:
Does this mean that the full series was printed in sheets of just one value, and then 2,300,000 were printed in se-tenant sheets? Seems odd they'd print them like that if that's the case.
Aside from being a block of 4, I assume there aren't any differences between the two methods of printing.
Just another thing that makes me say, "Hmmm!"
Peter
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Post by brightonpete on Mar 26, 2022 19:16:23 GMT
I often chuckle at the stamp descriptions provided by Scott's!
The 1988 Leipzig Spring Fair is no exception. Scott's describes to 20pf as "Entrance #8." Hmmm, that seems boring.
Of course it is!
Michel describes it as "Portal to the restaurant 'Auerbach's Cellar'!" Now that is much more interesting. In Goethe's famous play "Faust" this is the first place Mephistopheles takes Faust to. So much more descriptive with all the history associated. Entrance #8? Well, maybe that is the name of the doorway, but it holds no interest (at least to me) to look any further!
Which is why at times it takes me so long to make up my pages! I'm always checking the history behind the stamps!
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Post by mudgie on Mar 26, 2022 19:25:44 GMT
Never had a look at the header,so I did not realize the different perforations. However the stamps look quite different and are easy to distinguish...if you have both versions. upper: Photo-print (RaTdr),uneven appearance,best to be seen on the dark parts of the arches lower: Litho -print (Odr.),even surfaces,clear inscriptions Enlargement maybe helpful.
I thought the Photo-print showing a water reflection under the arch to be a better version than the plainer Litho-print one. And I can't see a difference in the clarity of the inscriptions. |
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Post by brightonpete on Mar 26, 2022 19:29:52 GMT
And I can't see a difference in the clarity of the inscriptions. |
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salentin
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Post by salentin on Mar 27, 2022 5:33:33 GMT
In the Fire Engines set, Michel (3101-3104) notes this after the 70pf value:
Does this mean that the full series was printed in sheets of just one value, and then 2,300,000 were printed in se-tenant sheets? Seems odd they'd print them like that if that's the case.
It means 2.3 mills.sets were printed in sheets of 40,containing 10 blocs of 4.(mostly to serve collectors) Further more all values were printed each in sheets of 50.(mostly for common postal use) 10 Pfg. 16 mills. 25 Pfg. 3.5 mills. 40 Pfg. 3.5 mills. 70 Pfg. 2.1 mills |
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Post by david on Dec 28, 2022 20:05:25 GMT
DDR stamps with theme Olympics  |
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bjornbelgium
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Post by bjornbelgium on Dec 29, 2022 13:07:01 GMT
Question,
I have some official stamps of DDR : the Scott O22a (MNH) 20 pf olive green with arc at right...
Scott catalog only states the right handed and left handed...
How rare is it, what's it worth and are there any other types that aren't listed in the Scott (but for instance in the Michel or so?)
I seem to have found 3 of them at the same time... all MNH, could they be forgeries?
thanks in advance!
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Post by gstamps on Dec 30, 2022 8:55:13 GMT
If I'm not mistaken, 20 Pf with the bow on the right had 4 emissions.
They differ by drawing, paper, perforation or watermark.
Values in Michel 2019: from 0.3 to 10,000 Euro.
Some pictures would be helpful.
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Post by gstamps on Dec 30, 2022 10:01:37 GMT
Hi bjornbelgiumI guess you want to have the valuable 20 Pf stamp. The valuable stamp issue (ausgabe) number 5 and 6.  There are 2 drawings (Zeichnung) type 2 and 4 (I marked the differences with arrows) There are 2 watermarks (Wz = Wasserzeichen) 2XI and 2XII.  Perforation K 13 x 12 1/2. The paper contains traces of textile threads.  I hope the information helps you. |
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bjornbelgium
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Post by bjornbelgium on Dec 31, 2022 2:28:30 GMT
OK, more confused than ever now, It seems that they were all a different watermark, not horns and DDR but the quatrefoil, later series thus  I have one with the horns and DDR in 20 pf green, but the paper doesn't carry the little textile fibers... I have them both, facing right and left... both CTO... prolly worthless darn  Both the left and right, normal paper:   Then the four fibered papers but not the right watermark, these are the quatre-foils:  |
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Post by gstamps on Dec 31, 2022 9:31:40 GMT
bjornbelgium, Your stamps because they have a watermark quatre-foils type (Wz.3X or Wz.3Y) are from issue 7.   The stamps from this issue have 3 characteristics (drawing type, paper type and perforation - K14 perforation also appears) as with the valuable issues 5 and 6. Many collectors confuse them and enjoy too quickly until they identify the different watermark. All these official stamp issues have plate flaws mentioned in the specialized Michel catalog. My stamp is Michel # 35yBY with a value of 0.5 Euro. Since the stamp shows plate flaw III (broken second line - field 79 of the sheet), the value in the catalog is 130 Euros.  It is good to observe the drawing errors and check if they are constant plate flaws.
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cursus
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What I collect: Catalan Cinderellas. Used Switzerland, UK, Scandinavia, Germany & Austria. Postal History of Barcelona & Estonia. Catalonia pictorial postmarks.
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Post by cursus on Apr 7, 2023 9:27:21 GMT
July, 1966. "International brigades" on the 1936/39 Spanish war.
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stanley64
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What I collect: Canada, USA, Netherlands, Portugal & Colonies, Antarctic Territories and anything that catches my eye...
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Post by stanley64 on Jul 12, 2023 17:45:07 GMT
Not a serious collector of the former DDR, but it is always nice to add a new item to the fledgling collection, Registered cover circulated Freiberg to Nuremberg and postmarked 20 April 1981.
This cover features 3 of the 6 stamps to commemorate Bauhaus buildings and their architects; issued 27 May 1980:
15 Pf - Monument to the March Dead (Walter Gropius - 1922)
50 Pf - ADGB Trade Union School (Hans Wittwer & Hannes Meyer - 1928/1930)
Just like building blocks, a fun set to be sure...
Have fun and happy collecting
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swvl
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What I collect: FDCs, plus some US modern and new issues. Topical interests include music, art, literature, baseball, space...
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Post by swvl on Jul 12, 2023 23:22:10 GMT
Nice Bauhaus cover stanley64! I love those stamps. Interesting to see a cacheted cover that isn’t an FDC; I wonder if there was any other significance to the date it was postmarked, or if the sender had their own philatelic reasons for making this cover. |
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Post by kooolabs on Jan 16, 2024 17:04:38 GMT
good day what about the Mi DDR 347 Y1 brand? I found this watermark on the tape 3 times. The catalog only lists the value for **, in addition the bottom line states that it must have an edge. Can anyone advise?   |
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Post by gstamps on Jan 16, 2024 18:33:20 GMT
kooolabs, this stamp was issued in sheet or block (Michel Block 9) Since the stamp issued in the sheet has a much higher value, the edge is proof that it does not come from Block 9. I think this is only necessary for one stamp. You have a strip of 3 that obviously come from the sheet. I think that no postally canceled stamps have been found yet and that is why only MNH appears in Michel.
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Post by kooolabs on Jan 16, 2024 18:47:53 GMT
Thank you !
However, let me ask one more question.
So should I understand the note in the Michal catalog as
that if it is only one mark Y1, it is not possible to verify it, because it can be either 347 or 393. This is a reasonable explanation.
In any case, I have a strip of 3 stamps with WZ Y1 in my hand.
If the Michel catalog does not state the value, the value would certainly be higher than the ** mark. Moreover, this is 3x.
I rather wonder if it is some kind of fake, but I have been dealing with philately for a few years and I have been studying this destination for about a year.
I will be very happy if I find a rarity, but as they say "mainly health".
thanks again!
Mark
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Post by kooolabs on Jan 17, 2024 3:18:07 GMT
I searched postmark stamps are. Even expertly verified.  |
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Post by PostmasterGS on Jan 17, 2024 3:31:18 GMT
Not necessarily. Michel gives the used value as –.–, which means there's not enough information to set a price. That doesn't mean the price will be higher, just that there haven't been enough documented sales to set a price.
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Post by kooolabs on Jan 17, 2024 3:32:11 GMT
I will also mention the detail of the other side. Stamp from 4/9/1956  |
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Post by kooolabs on Jan 17, 2024 3:34:41 GMT
stamp with the above certificate is offered for
Price £859.47
EUR 999.00
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Post by gstamps on Jan 17, 2024 7:39:13 GMT
I am trying to understand the arguments presented in the Expertise Certificate. I don't know German and I could be wrong. It is recognized that the stamp originates from the 1970 issue: « Gestempelter 16 Pf. Wert der Sonderausgabe zum 70. = = Stamped 16 Pf. value of the special edition for the 70th. “ The argument with the cancellation date (6.9.53) - becomes absurd - the stamp was issued in 1970: “..einem Datum, wo die gezahnte Blockausgabe noch nicht verausgabt wurde = = ..a date when the serrated block edition has not yet been issued” The following argument that the stamp is 347 YI is totally incomprehensible to me (in Michel the two issues of the stamp - in sheet or block - have the same colors and I did not find a mention about color differences): “Die Mark entstammt der Bogenausgabe, was an der blauen Farbe zu erkennen ist, die bis an das Transparent reich. = The mark comes from the sheet edition, which can be recognized by the blue color that extends to the transparency.” kooolabs, can you confirm if BERLIN W /36/f appears on your cancellation? I cannot identify the date. |
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jan 17, 2024 8:23:37 GMT
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Post by gstamps on Jan 17, 2024 14:45:57 GMT
rod222, thank you, your translation is logical. I saw a point after 70...and I stopped with the translation. I think that the certificate should have mentioned that the cancellation is original. I have encountered many cases with false cancellations
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