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Post by therealwesty on Jul 28, 2013 15:31:13 GMT
One of my areas of interest includes postal history pieces depicting or originating from Peterborough, Ontario my home town. Here's my oldest folded letter with a Peterboro U.C. postmark on it. It's a type B2S broken circle dated Jan 20 1845 back-stamped with a similar Cobourg U.C. type B2S dated the very next day. The 4 & 1/2 pence rate pays for delivery of a single sheet within 0-60 miles. The red ink used to hand write the rate denotes this letter had been pre-paid. This letter also bears a faint read 'PAID' hand stamp next to the rate. The letter is addressed to Miss Hall at the Ladies Academy in Cobourg, Ontario. The letter bears the opening salutation 'Dear Jeannie' and was sent by her mother. Jeannie Hall later married Sandford Fleming in 1855. I have another letter, in cover, dated 1857. The letter begins with the very same 'Dear Jeannie' salutation as the 1845 letter, but the cover is addressed to 'Mrs. Sandford Fleming' appropriately. I'll save that cover for another time though.   |
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Post by Perfs14 on Jul 28, 2013 21:22:05 GMT
That's a great cover. Do you have a scan of the letter itself? Yes, I i am a sticky-beak!  |
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Post by zipper on Jul 28, 2013 22:37:49 GMT
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Post by zipper on Jul 28, 2013 22:58:55 GMT
Oops! I forgot about this one. 1841.  |
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Post by zipper on Jul 28, 2013 23:41:17 GMT
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Post by therealwesty on Jul 29, 2013 0:08:36 GMT
Yea I probably should have specified Canadian cover/letter, but I thought that would go without saying in the Canada section. I've got a french letter from 1826 but it just doesn't carry the same sentiment as my early Canadian and Peterborough, ON postal history.
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Post by zipper on Jul 29, 2013 0:45:13 GMT
Sorry. I saw your post under New Threads. I'll take a look at my Canadian covers.
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Post by zipper on Jul 29, 2013 0:56:52 GMT
I only go back to 1880 in Canada.   |
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Post by therealwesty on Jul 29, 2013 1:51:26 GMT
That's a great postcard! Can you make out where the postmark is from?
The other pieces are interesting too, I am just a Canadian specialist so I am most interested in Canadian postal history. I am guessing the postcard with the Peterborough postmark is from Great Britain?
Perfs14: I may see about unfolding the letter when I get a bit of time. You can't be too careful when you are working with a document that's 178 years old. I don't have a scan of it right now, but it would be nice to have to post and for my own examination so I don't have to handle the piece as much.
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Post by zipper on Jul 29, 2013 2:05:49 GMT
My old eyes aren't very good, even with a lighted magnifier, so I blew it up for you. Hope you can identify it.  |
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Post by zipper on Jul 29, 2013 2:11:23 GMT
Here's another older one.   |
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Post by zipper on Jul 29, 2013 2:16:14 GMT
Not very old but I love the printing, plus, I live on Pine Grove too.  |
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Post by tomiseksj on Jul 29, 2013 13:09:56 GMT
I'm somewhat embarrased to post this with the others shown that are so much its senior; however, you asked for our oldest cover (or card) and this one is mine -- postmarked August 13, 1936 in Niagra Falls, Ontario.  |
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Post by therealwesty on Jul 29, 2013 15:05:12 GMT
That's a great card nonetheless! The postmark matches the picture being Niagara Falls. And the picture of the American side, which is best viewed from Canada, being sent across the river is somewhat fitting.
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Post by jamesw on Aug 3, 2013 6:57:46 GMT
Here's my oldest Canadian. Some of you may have seen it on that other forum, but I'll show it again anyway. 1841 Niagara Addressed to Samuel Street, a prominent business man in early Canadian history. He was a money lender, major land owner, militia officer (served in the 3rd Lincoln Militia in the War of 1812) and Justice of the Peace. A major investor in railroads, the Bank of Montreal and the Welland Canal. The letter is from John Lyons, an important lawyer and land registrar in Niagara, and outlines an number of properties in Southern Ontario that Street may be interested in purchasing. Street lived in Chippawa, outside of the town of Niagara Falls, which was also the home of Laura Secord, the famous 1812 heroine.  |
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Post by therealwesty on Aug 3, 2013 23:48:43 GMT
Wow that's a great folded letter! 4 1/2-pence rate marked in black ink means it was sent postage due. The hammer style looks similar to my Peterborough one, a type B2S, these were probably standard issue around the colony at the time. Thanks for posting!
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Post by cjd on Aug 4, 2013 2:09:18 GMT
I'm somewhat embarrased to post this with the others shown that are so much its senior*** Pretty sure you don't have to feel too bad about that...my oldest is from last Tuesday.  |
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Post by jamesw on Jan 19, 2014 2:36:25 GMT
Realized it was time to revise my standing on this one. I push back one year with this 1840 Niagara cover (I think shown on another thread, I am starting to loose track). **my oldest overall is a London to Edinburgh folded letter posted in 1764 - but I suppose that's for another thread**  |
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Post by therealwesty on Jan 19, 2014 13:18:11 GMT
Very nice! The red inking indicates the 18 3/4 pence rate was pre-paid. That's a pretty hefty fee in 1840 money to send a letter. At this point in time the postage rate would have been calculated by the distance for a single sheet of paper. The Canadian postage would have been paid from the office of origin to the border, so in Niagara it's safe to assume 4 1/2 pence for the 0-60 mile rate. Crossing the river there likely would have been a ferry charge, and then the US rate would have to be paid from the border to the U.S. destination making up the rest of the 18 3/4 charged.
It's interesting that on letters from Canada to the US, the Canadian postage would have to be pre-paid to the line, but the US could be unpaid. The remaining fee would then be charged to the recipient.
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Post by jamesw on Dec 11, 2016 3:16:06 GMT
This thread has been dormant for almost 3 years. A lot has happened in that time, and I am able to push my oldest Canadian cover back to 1834. Here are three I've acquired since that last post, 1834, 1835 and 1837. All shown previously of course, but what the heck, right? 1834  1835 - though originally posted In Washington, it is a cross border letter and has a Queenston postmark  and 1837  Hows about you folks? Picked up any good old stuff in the last 3 years? |
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Post by jimjung on Dec 11, 2016 16:31:04 GMT
This one I've actually had for awhile with some nice postmarks in red. Not great shape but still an 1844 MONEY LETTER and a QUEBEC crown hs, contents in French.   |
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Post by jimjung on Dec 11, 2016 16:32:45 GMT
My old eyes aren't very good, even with a lighted magnifier, so I blew it up for you. Hope you can identify it. I think this is ANNAPOLIS N.S. (Nova Scotia) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 17:08:52 GMT
This one I've actually had for awhile with some nice postmarks in red. Not great shape but still an 1844 MONEY LETTER and a QUEBEC crown hs, contents in Frenc Looks like a lawyers firm in Quebec City sent to the Registrar for the county of Drummondville Quebec (east of Montreal) |
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Post by watermark on Dec 11, 2016 18:09:32 GMT
Here is my oldest folded letter. It is post marked London Jul 16 1840. It has Too Late and PAID in red with a red manuscript 9. I have not been able to read the entire letter although I can make out a few of the words. It appears to concern the status of some payment on two lots of timber. The heading at the top of the letter is North Dorchester 16 July 1840 and is sent to Samuel Street Esq. I don't know anything about the markings on the folded letter I assume someone had to pay 9d to mail it.
  
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Post by jamesw on Dec 11, 2016 18:49:30 GMT
9 d Cy was the rate for letters sent from 101 to 200 miles. London to Niagara would certainly fall into that catagory (about 125 miles).
Mr Street was a very successful businessman in the area and a huge land owner. Looks like you letter is someone trying to buy a little time on paying their rent.
Very nice.
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Post by renden on May 30, 2019 17:02:41 GMT
1827 CANADA Stampless cover After a few years of inactivity in this thread...... René  ....and the date  |
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Post by jamesw on May 31, 2019 2:25:43 GMT
Well, since you've revived this one again, I will, once again, have to revise my contributions. 1833 Chippawa (with Chippaiva postmark error) Note, this letter was written by Samuel Street, to whom Watermark's letter above was sent.  1818 Montreal  Both previously posted elsewhere on the forum. |
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Post by WERT on Sept 25, 2019 23:08:25 GMT
Here is my oldest stampless cover Fredericton New Brunswick 1854..Also have others with letters. Robert
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Post by jimjung on Sept 26, 2019 11:19:31 GMT
Here is an interesting TransAtlantic cover from Dornach Scotland to Zorra Township via Woodstock, U.C. There are clear postmarks and red crayon ms P 1/2 on the front meaning Paid 1s 2d. I looked this up in my Arnell book and this traveled on the Cunard ship "America" departing Liverpool on Feb 9, 1850 and arriving in Boston Feb 25, 1850. I believe this was before they had the first railroad built that ran from Portland, Maine up to Montreal in 1853. The BRANTFORD MR 4 1850 postmark shows it took 7 days to travel from Boston to Brantford and then one more day to go to Woodstock (WOODSTOCK MR 5 1850).   |
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Post by renden on Sept 26, 2019 12:31:48 GMT
My 1827 stampless cover is up there !
René
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