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Post by jamesw on Jun 18, 2014 3:03:49 GMT
I think I mentioned that I went to an estate auction last Sunday (Fathers Day) and treated myself well. Managed to snag several albums and stock books, so I'll be posting stuff as I find it. So far haven't found an awful lot for my regular collections (Canada & US) but am finding lots of goodies for my 'Just Because' album. That's the album for stuff I think is neat or unusual, so I keep it...just because. Here's a nice one. 1898 Turkish stamp for the Army in Thessaly. Issued for Turkish occupation forces to use in Thessaly during the Greco-Turkish War of 1897-98 (Scott's). This is perf 13 and so is genuine. Forgeries are perf 11.5
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Post by jamesw on Aug 17, 2014 21:04:28 GMT
Just for fun, here's another acquire in my recent travels (no, not to Turkey...)
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Post by Jen B on Aug 18, 2014 2:02:44 GMT
Nice stamps! Makes you wonder why and how they were perforated in that octagonal shape.
I found this May 1898 London Philatelist article about the issue that explains a little bit about the perforations.
THESSALY.—The retiring Turk, eager to preserve some tangible evidence of the occupation of Thessaly, has caused a series of five stamps to be issued, a set of which is to hand from Messrs. Whitfield King & Co. At the time of writing, transport vessels are awaiting to embark the Turkish troops at present in Thessaly. It seems scarcely credible that these labels should have any official connection with the Turkish Post Office, but they have been issued by Imperial Irade", and have included in the design the Thougra, or arms of the Sultan. Le T.-P. informs us that it is the desire of the Government in issuing the stamps to leave on record some souvenir of the occupation of Thessaly by the Turkish Empire. At the Yildiz exhibition, the stamps remaining over, after the evacuation of Thessaly, will be sold at an enhanced value, the proceeds being used for the benefit of the families of those soldiers who fell in the late war. The stamps are octagonal in shape, and are perforated so as to give a square perforation, or an octagonal one, at will, this latter feat being possible owing to the stamps being printed with a margin of paper half an inch in width between each, both horizontally and vertically. The design includes, in Turkish characters, the following inscription: " Special for Thessaly, that part of the country conquered." The values are 10 and 20 paras, I, 2, and 5 piastres. Although we have gone to some trouble to describe these stamps, it is scarcely needful to say we consider that they are probably unnecessary and speculative.
The following paragraph, which appeared in an evening London newspaper, bears out the spirit of the foregoing remarks :—
" There has been a great run on the new postage stamps for Thessaly, which the Turkish Government caused to be circulated last week. These stamps are of the values of 5, 2, and i piastre, and of 20 and 10 paras ; and so eager were collectors to possess the new stamps that on the third day following their introduction those valued 5 and 2 piastres were all bought up, and changed hands at eighteen shillings. The stamps of smaller value brought four shillings. The traders in these stamps were Turkish officers and Civil servants, who, now that the evacuation of Thessaly is taking definite shape, evidently thought the first and only issue of stamps by the Turkish Government was an opportunity for making money not to be thrown away."
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Post by Ryan on Sept 24, 2015 6:27:44 GMT
As mentioned by James, these stamps have been forged (hasn't everything from that era?) and I came across one in a recent sorting expedition. Note the different perforation, as mentioned above it has perf. 11-1/2 instead of the genuine perf. 13. They're barely worth more than a dollar, I wonder why such inexpensive stamps have been forged. Ryan
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Post by cjd on Sept 25, 2015 0:53:21 GMT
This is an example of a stamp where some of the forgeries have clearer impressions than the originals.
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Post by warthog on Sept 11, 2021 21:03:44 GMT
As mentioned by James, these stamps have been forged (hasn't everything from that era?) and I came across one in a recent sorting expedition. Note the different perforation, as mentioned above it has perf. 11-1/2 instead of the genuine perf. 13. They're barely worth more than a dollar, I wonder why such inexpensive stamps have been forged. Ryan
The post mark is dated 1898. Would this also be a forgery? The back of the envelope has an additional post mark Stamboul-Arrivee.
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Post by kasvik on Sept 11, 2021 23:08:53 GMT
As mentioned by James, these stamps have been forged (hasn't everything from that era?) and I came across one in a recent sorting expedition. Note the different perforation, as mentioned above it has perf. 11-1/2 instead of the genuine perf. 13. They're barely worth more than a dollar, I wonder why such inexpensive stamps have been forged. Ryan warthog too: just a guess; especially if the the forgery was contemporary with the original issue, they may not be philatelic but postal. Right; philatelic forgers naturally focus on the high end--Sperrati and lesser knowns--while postal forgers tend to be low end, peddling their stuff in bulk to stores for postal customers. That's much of what R. B. Earee went after when he went rooting for Album weeds. If it's a post forgery, the cancellation certainly could be one-hundred percent real. Finding cancelled postal forgeries on used covers is a treat. And those can have significant value!
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Post by vikingeck on Sept 11, 2021 23:16:11 GMT
They're barely worth more than a dollar, I wonder why such inexpensive stamps have been forged. Ryan Forgeries were made to meet a demand from collectors where the genuine supply is outstripped by the clamour from collectors for an issue deemed to be in short supply. At the turn of the 19th century up to WWI it was still theoretically possible to fill an album ( apart from the obvious rarities Blue Mauritius and British Guiana cotton reels and the like)with all the countries of the world . There were many more collectors, all wanting to fill spaces in early albums, accurate genuine illustrations were not available to the average collector and so some were conned but many others were content with a reproduction The demand was there , the forger or facsimile maker simply stepped up to meet the demand. Some dealers even acquired access to obsolete plates and were able to create reprints
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Post by vikingeck on Sept 12, 2021 9:12:02 GMT
Hi warthog, the image is small to be certain but the perforations look like they might gauge 13 rather than 11 . You would need to check to confirm. My feeling is the stamps are genuine. There are too many different values paying much more than the necessary postage, so it is philatelic in nature ( nothing wrong with that); it may be a first day of use cover sent to an official or a collector. It certainly has that look . It has been through the post with the Stamboul Arrive indicating it’s arrival in Istanbul Turkey
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