philatelia
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Post by philatelia on Sept 28, 2014 17:44:40 GMT
I found this in a bag of kiloware; Gee I wonder which one is a fake? LOL
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Sept 29, 2014 0:27:39 GMT
Hold on to that - postally used forgeries can be quite difficult to find!
Ryan
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BC
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What I collect: Worldwide USED up to the 1960's, later years from countries that came into existence after then, like Anguilla, Tuvalu and Transnistria.
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Post by BC on Sept 29, 2014 1:10:03 GMT
Nice find Philatelia. I bet it does not have the phosphor tagging. It looks like an ink-jet printing, a rather poor copy. As Ryan says, keep that one.
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Sept 29, 2014 17:52:51 GMT
I have some Swedish postal forgeries buried in one of my boxes of on-paper stuff that still needs to be soaked. About 10 years ago there were a number of different Swedish issues professionally forged but with enough differences that they are readily apparent. They would be among the very few postal forgeries that did actually have tagging on them, at least that's what I remember when looking at them under a UV light, although as I recall the taggant wasn't a real close match. The artwork was coarser than on the legitimate issues, but the text had been stripped out and replaced by almost-the-same-but-not-quite-exact fonts that were crisp and clear rather than poorly copied halftone stuff. At the time that I found them, I looked them up online and was able to find some information - I think they were printed surreptitiously by a guy who worked for a Malaysian security printer or some such thing, but I can't find that info any more (at least I couldn't last time I tried). All I found was this stuff, machine-translated courtesy of Google. Ryan
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philatelia
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Post by philatelia on Jan 5, 2016 23:45:39 GMT
I recently found more of these and also a copy of the Flag & Liberty. That one isn't listed in the catalog yet, so I may be sending it to the editors at Scott's. It sure would be fun to get my little junk box stamp in the catalog!!!
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philatelia
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Captain Jack - my best kiloware find ever!
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What I collect: Ireland, Japan, Scandy, USA, Venezuela, Vatican, Bermuda, Austria
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Post by philatelia on Jan 5, 2016 23:46:11 GMT
Here is a pic of the other counterfeit; It is so much smaller - much more obvious than the one above
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reena
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What I collect: US Federal Duck Stamps
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Post by reena on Jan 6, 2016 0:15:34 GMT
Awesome find! Do let us know what Scott's have to say.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 2:01:46 GMT
These are not like the classic forgeries made to replicate collectible stamps
These are Postal Forgeries (better named counterfeits) which the US postal service estimates they lose $150 million per year
This is "organized" business.
At any given time, you can buy 100 stamp rolls of forever stamps that start at 99c on ebay - they usually get bid up quickly to $75-$100
Local stores that sell stamps often buy these from "this guy who comes by every so often"
So rare they are not, people just don't look for them generally.
Worthless pieces of paper - just good to put in your album besides the real one as a curiosity.
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philatelia
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Captain Jack - my best kiloware find ever!
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Post by philatelia on Jan 6, 2016 8:04:28 GMT
I don't care that they are "worthless pieces of paper", it was great fun to actually find one postally used. Sheesh
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jan 6, 2016 14:04:48 GMT
I don't care that they are "worthless pieces of paper", it was great fun to actually find one postally used. Sheesh Indeed, a lesson for us all, in applying tact when we respond to members. We must respect whatever each of us likes to collect, We all make mistakes too, with the keyboard, sometimes what we read, is not what we meant. I collect Sharjah and the Trucial states, so I have had plenty of verbal kicks in the bottom, over my collecting career. Tread your own path.
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firstfrog2013
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jan 6, 2016 15:12:52 GMT
philatelia, If you look at my posts you'll notice a lot of just curious items that reside along side the classics. To me they hold more interest than the stamps almost anyone might have. Nothing in my stuff is sent off for certification or expertise not what simple collecting is about to me. Not everyone collects at the same level or has the same interests.How boring that would be. The joy of finding something different is what propels the flyspeckers which I must admit guilt to. Stay alert the things you find will bring you great satisfaction.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 16:13:16 GMT
My comment was not addressing one's collecting habits as I also no longer collect "regular postage" It was meant that these counterfeits have no commercial value unlike classic forgeries that are often worth more than the genuine. In most cases forgeries represent part of postal history but these modern ones are being put out by organized groups solely for making a quick buck and defrauding the government. As such their only value lies in personal identification & keeping as "varieties"
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firstfrog2013
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jan 6, 2016 16:30:53 GMT
falschung,one day I would love to have you stop by and pull through my stuff to point out what's what.
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philatelia
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Post by philatelia on Jan 27, 2020 18:37:59 GMT
Found a another modern USA Forgery in a bag of kiloware today. Not a very good one, but it got through the system. Top - genuine Bottom - cheesy forgery
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Jan 27, 2020 19:22:37 GMT
You're having remarkable luck finding these forgeries. Other than the Swedish examples I've mentioned earlier on this thread, I've never found a single one. I still have multiple 100s of Kg of kiloware to go through in detail, but on the first pass through all that stuff I never noticed anything.
Ryan
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philatelia
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Post by philatelia on Jan 27, 2020 19:24:13 GMT
You're having remarkable luck finding these forgeries. Other than the Swedish examples I've mentioned earlier on this thread, I've never found a single one. I still have multiple 100s of Kg of kiloware to go through in detail, but on the first pass through all that stuff I never noticed anything. Ryan Luck of the Irish maybe?
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Post by dgwhite87 on Mar 30, 2020 16:09:15 GMT
I do hope the USPS cracks down on these but at the same time, it makes receiving mail that much more interesting, when you know there is a chance you might find a forgery
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