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Post by TinMan on Nov 16, 2014 14:30:21 GMT
Approximately how many stamps do you soak at a time? Also do you enjoy soaking stamps?
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Post by tomiseksj on Nov 16, 2014 17:35:21 GMT
I soak enough at a time to fill a page in my Apak drying book -- usually about 30 to 40, depending upon their sizes.
As one page is filled, another batch of stamps is placed in the water bath.
The book has 10 pages so I can do about 300 to 400 stamps in one soaking session.
I typically enjoy doing several pages worth but larger quantities can become tedious.
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Post by rod222 on Nov 17, 2014 1:53:44 GMT
I would echo Steve's response, I have managed 400 at one soak, but was very tiresome. I now do a small glass bowl, from 8 to 30 stamps, plop them in cold water as I make my morning coffee, 2-3 hours later, or when time permits, pre dry them in a new tea towel, then into my stacked drying sandwich books.
The big payoff, is opening the bottom drying book and retrieving the results.
The self stick are different, I collect in a spare envelope, then do perhaps 4 or 5 with white spirits. I tend only do the stamps to be mounted, duplicates I leave on paper.
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Post by philatelia on Nov 17, 2014 16:24:43 GMT
I also do about 50-100 at a time, usually in hotter water with modern self-adhesives (the ones that do soak anyways), warm water for water activated issues. I have a second cold water rinse basin. I leave them in the hot for about 10 minutes, then put in the rinse. It amazes me how cloudy the water becomes for some issues and the rinse helps remove that residue. I always soak colored paper separate in cold water and watch very carefully and remove as soon as they loosen to prevent the dies in the paper from staining. I use desert magic drying books and leave them overnight with weight on top of the book to ensure they are pressed flat. I'm not that fond of soaking, but I sure love kiloware. I load up a few favorite shows and watch tv while soaking. I also found that it helps to use a good lamp by the sink to help my middle-aged eyes. Like Rod, I only soak the self-adhesives for my collection, most I leave on paper unless they are the ones that soak really easily.
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Post by Admin on Nov 17, 2014 18:55:34 GMT
Not something I really enjoy doing. With todays mail many of the stamps arrive cancelled, Canadian ones go into the glue stick drawer . Any other countries that come not cancelled I just return them clipped on piece to member of that country . Most of my soaking is to remove old hinges and clean up the stamps a bit. I know the newer self adhesive stamps can be real hard to soak, luck the Canadian ones seem to have 2 layers of glue the one closes to the stamp seems to be soluble with water and will lift quite nice in a water bath. If the stamp has a nice cancel I will leave it on piece just clip with a nice margin to save the postmark. I going to write a tutorial later on soaking stamps.
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Post by BC on Nov 18, 2014 5:37:25 GMT
I find US self adhesives come off easy by spraying the back of the piece of envelope with Fabreze freshener (I prefer the Thai Dragonfruit scent ). After a few seconds the stamp peels off easily. I then soak it in warm water. Most of the paper comes off the back. Here is the Global Forever stamp I just soaked.
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Post by Ryan on Nov 18, 2014 9:35:08 GMT
I'm very much a fan of soaking - I put on the Bollywood station on the TV and get to work! I do a fairly large batch at a time - 40 grams of clipped, on-paper stamps or 16 grams of off-paper stamps (I like nice clean flat used stamps and I soak off any hinge or gum remnants). A batch that size fits on to a large hand towel as they come out of the sinks (one for soaking, one for rinsing), and from there they go into a drying book. I also segregate the stamps on coloured paper and get them off the paper as soon as I can to avoid staining. I use room-temperature water and because Calgary has such a dry climate, I soak the hand towel so the stamps don't dry out while I'm working. If I don't, the stamps will curl and that makes it a lot tougher to get them in to the drying book, plus they come out flatter if they go in damp. A batch will generally fit on 5 pages in the drying book, so I have a book full after two batches. Like Rod, I have multiple books and it's like a second Christmas each time a book comes off the bottom of the stack. In my case, I really have no clue what might be in the book since I have 13 of them in use, and lately I haven't been doing much soaking. I bet the current book on the bottom dates from the spring time - who knows what is lurking within ...
And also like Rodney, I work on a few unsoakables with each batch, in my case using paint thinner to remove them from their paper. I then soak them in water after I get them off the paper, to wash the chemical away, although there are some US stamps that can't tolerate soaking in water once they come off the envelope because they wrinkle - those get a very quick wash in water, then get sandwiched immediately between two flat surfaces for 15 minutes or so before they go in the drying book. I start on these as soon as I put the main batch into the sink, and while I'm doing that, the main batch starts to come loose from their backing paper. I'll usually do about 16-20 unsoakables at a time, that gives enough time for the main batch to receive a good soaking before I start working on them.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Nov 18, 2014 13:05:15 GMT
Fabreze really ? I'll pass that one on to Mom. One of the reasons I love this place. The information shared here would take years to learn on your own. All in one place. Congratulations to you all, you have created a terrific resource for those that follow us.
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Post by BC on Nov 18, 2014 14:06:02 GMT
One thing I sometimes do is soak the stamps a second time, as the "bathwater" sometimes gets full of glue that re-attaches itself to the stamps. I especially noticed this recently on a batch of French Polynesia stamps from the 1950's and 1960's.
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Post by rod222 on Apr 9, 2015 1:22:49 GMT
Any members been successful in soaking stamps off red paper? In Australia we get some cracking stamps as Air from Europe, and red covers are ubiquitous.
They stain at the slightest moisture. I have tried freezing, humidity box, steaming, nothing seems to work.
I am considering for the first time, in throwing stamps in the trash.
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Post by zipper on Apr 9, 2015 1:45:14 GMT
I buy stamps off paper. I hate soaking.
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Post by Philatarium on Apr 9, 2015 5:17:36 GMT
Any members been successful in soaking stamps off red paper? Rod, what about the Orange Citrus spray that seems to the going thing for removing self-adhesives? Just wondering if the absence of water might mean that the red wouldn't transfer. Mostly thinking out loud here ...
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Post by irishjack on Apr 9, 2015 7:02:27 GMT
What about adding some laundry detergent the one that's surprise to stop dye from running. It may stabilize the red pigment from being activated in the water. Some dyes are water based, trying something other then h2o might be your answer something like rubbing alcohol . Just test a small square of the red paper . Maybe hand sanatizer would work.
Off to your lab Rod and experiment
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Post by rod222 on Apr 9, 2015 7:26:23 GMT
What about adding some laundry detergent the one that's surprise to stop dye from running. It may stabilize the red pigment from being activated in the water. Some dyes are water based, trying something other then h2o might be your answer something like rubbing alcohol . Just test a small square of the red paper . Maybe hand sanatizer would work. Off to your lab Rod and experiment I don't think alcohol or Fuelite release Acacia Gum (Gum Arabic) I'll see if I can source both the Orange stuff, and the rubbing Alcohol. The red dye is actually quite dangerous, it leaks at the least amount of moisture. and colours the stamp.
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Post by tomiseksj on Apr 9, 2015 11:43:57 GMT
I can't speak from experience but I wonder if Supersafe's Stamp Lift Fluid, sparingly applied, will release the paper without staining the stamp.
It has been a long time since I received a water-based adhesive stamp on red paper so I have none for experimentation.
If you don't have any of the fluid, send me a stamp or two and I'll see if it does the trick.
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Post by rod222 on Apr 9, 2015 19:04:35 GMT
I can't speak from experience but I wonder if Supersafe's Stamp Lift Fluid, sparingly applied, will release the paper without staining the stamp. It has been a long time since I received a water-based adhesive stamp on red paper so I have none for experimentation. If you don't have any of the fluid, send me a stamp or two and I'll see if it does the trick. What a great idea Steve Thanks, a few pesky red faced devils shall be in the next post to leave.
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Post by alanl on Apr 10, 2015 3:25:55 GMT
A lot of these stamps get stained when they are licked and stuck on the red paper.
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Post by rod222 on Apr 10, 2015 6:39:44 GMT
Thanks Ryan, For the record, I have used salt experimentally in the past, for manila envelopes (yellow Brown) , shades of Lilac, light blue, I have had success with this method. (Salt + cold water) The Red is extraordinary, it bleeds profusely, even under humid box, it migrates. Steve is our remaining hope
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Post by tomiseksj on Apr 27, 2015 21:51:07 GMT
Just a quick update on progress made using Super Safe's Stamp Lift Fluid on rod222's colored paper samples. The Australian stamps have proven more difficult to remove than the British ones. I initially tried putting the fluid on the face of the stamp but ultimately ended up applying it to both sides in order to release the stamps. Those circled are the first experimental increment; not included is a single 1p that I removed prior to scanning the lot. I'll give the one with blue paper residue another coating of Stamp Lift later on to see if I can get the back clean. I'll let you judge if there was any paper staining on the others. I'll be leaving to visit my Mother in a few days so it will be several weeks before I can remove the others from their respective papers. I'll post images of those results as well.
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Post by rod222 on Apr 28, 2015 11:38:18 GMT
Just a quick update on progress made using Super Safe's Stamp Lift Fluid on rod222's colored paper samples. The Australian stamps have proven more difficult to remove than the British ones. I initially tried putting the fluid on the face of the stamp but ultimately ended up applying it to both sides in order to release the stamps. Those circled are the first experimental increment; not included is a single 1p that I removed prior to scanning the lot. I'll give the one with blue paper residue another coating of Stamp Lift later on to see if I can get the back clean. I'll let you judge if there was any paper staining on the others. I'll be leaving to visit my Mother in a few days so it will be several weeks before I can remove the others from their respective papers. I'll post images of those results as well. Thanks Steve! I can handle any of the ones you have shown. Most stamps would be duplicates, so I would leave on piece, but for the odd scarce one, or the good postmark, your residue is passable for me.
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Post by tomiseksj on May 17, 2015 12:18:33 GMT
As it turns out, the residue is paper fibers adhering to the self-adhesive on the stamps. A long soak in water allowed me to peel off the remaining adhesive (however, in my haste I damaged the stamp). Below are the results of the second increment. The 50c Australian similarly had fibers adhering to the self-adhesive on stamp but all came off after a soak in water. That stamp was the only one in this batch that I removed from the paper using Stamp Lift fluid. All of the others were individually soaked in water with a small amount of mild dish washing detergent and they easily came off paper without any apparent color bleed.
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Post by rod222 on May 17, 2015 18:37:50 GMT
As it turns out, the residue is paper fibers adhering to the self-adhesive on the stamps. A long soak in water allowed me to peel off the remaining adhesive (however, in my haste I damaged the stamp). Below are the results of the second increment. The 50c Australian similarly had fibers adhering to the self-adhesive on stamp but all came off after a soak in water. That stamp was the only one in this batch that I removed from the paper using Stamp Lift fluid. All of the others were individually soaked in water with a small amount of mild dish washing detergent and they easily came off paper without any apparent color bleed. Wow! you must have different water in Canada my attempts were less successful. Thanks for broadcasting your results, Steve. Where can I get stamp lift fluid? PS: The damage to the self stick issue, is common, I have a 20% failure rate for these. It largely depends on the material to which the stamp is adhered. Common porous envelopes, no problem. Coated papers failure rate, escalates.
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Post by tomiseksj on May 17, 2015 19:40:57 GMT
rod222, Here is a source but, given my recent experience, I think that soaking in water and mild dish washing detergent yielded comparable results to those I removed with the Super Safe Stamp Lift Fluid. I soaked each piece individually, having cut away excess paper prior to soaking, and removed the stamps as soon as they were able to be released from the paper. The paper was discarded and the stamps were soaked awhile longer to remove any lingering adhesive. The Australian self-adhesives needed about half an hour in the water before the adhesive was able to be peeled off.
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Post by Ryan on May 18, 2015 4:24:49 GMT
Another odd thing I notice with later Australian self-adhesives - if I don't leave enough room around the perforations when I trim the backing paper (I always trim the backing paper, makes for fewer fuzzies while soaking), I can't get the paper bent away from the stamp. With 5mm or so of extra paper, I can almost always get the stamp off without damage (haven't tried many of the corrugated tin building stamps yet, though). If the stamp is trimmed right close to the die-cut perforations, chances are good that I'll end up ruining the stamp ...
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Post by rod222 on May 18, 2015 5:17:24 GMT
Another odd thing I notice with later Australian self-adhesives - if I don't leave enough room around the perforations when I trim the backing paper (I always trim the backing paper, makes for fewer fuzzies while soaking), I can't get the paper bent away from the stamp. With 5mm or so of extra paper, I can almost always get the stamp off without damage (haven't tried many of the corrugated tin building stamps yet, though). If the stamp is trimmed right close to the die-cut perforations, chances are good that I'll end up ruining the stamp ... Ryan You certainly know your soaking. That's so pertinent, I find the same in my experience. Lots of backing paper, one can corrugate the stamp in the corner, lift the edge and peel. Without it, there is a tendency to tear.
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Post by Jerry B on May 19, 2015 5:08:21 GMT
Hi A long time ago I wrote a letter to Linn's in which I described a "soaking box". I took a plastic shoe box, they do exist, and put holes near the top, about 3/4 to 1 inch down from the top. I filled the box with warm water and set the faucet to a small stream of warm water into the box. I then put the stamps to soak in. What one has is a box where the water is fairly clean of gum residue since the water is continually changing due the run-off through the holes around the top. I do not do much soaking now, pretty much none at all, so I gave the box away. For the little soaking I have to do I just use the plastic box with no holes. The most I have to soak at a time is 10 or less stamps. Jack: Neat video. It may be another use for WD40 but if someone tells me that duct tape works well for hinges I am going to give up Jerry B
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Post by rod222 on May 19, 2015 5:37:36 GMT
I tried the soak box with the stamps with red backing, still not successful, the stamps were stained.
I am still miffed as to how Steve managed to get his so clean.
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Post by Jerry B on May 19, 2015 6:32:55 GMT
Hi Rodney
Besides colored envelopes I have had problems with some Manila envelopes. Some did not stain and some gave an eerie yellow color to the stamps. The box I made did work rather well with "normal" stamps.
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Post by Admin on May 19, 2015 16:03:36 GMT
I have also heard about using the microwave, add a few drops of water to the backing paper, some use a droper and other a Q-tip all you need is a little, Zap for a few seconds till the gum softens, this may take longer depending on the microwave / power and size.
for self adhesive stamps some people are putting the stamps in a bowl of cold water with a few drops of soft hand soap soft hand soap has a mild antibacterial added to it. zap in the microwave for 30 seconds maybe longer depending again on oven size and power.
Maybe its the heating action of the microwaves and the addition of the soap that breaks down the glue.
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