Roman States: Stamps

Sicily
1859
Steiner Page 13
Crude Facsimiles.
9 Stamps CV : c$21,000

Here's an example of the broken horizontal lines on the reprints/forgeries that Ryan mentioned from jkjblue's blog post.

These are of the Roman States 1867 issue, 10c black on vermilion.  I have sheets of these things that were in an old collection I purchased. 

I think they are more reprints than forgeries, since they are on cheap construction paper and missing gum.  Definitely not glazed paper.

I received these today- I knew they were in the lot and when asked why I bid how i did, i said I suspected some/many of these were not the real deal,  or forged cancellations.  Also, tooo clean and bright

too many broken bars...

What ye say?

here ya go 3200 dpi 64 bit
























and here's the back of the above stamp (in case it's important!)



and my thanks for looking!!!

rex  not enlarged, same resolution as the front sides

The Enlargment in my opinion alters the colors,  is easy to see them one next to others like in your first scan. Could you please post the rear in the same position of your first scan stainlessb . Thank you . 
On this type of stamps colors variations are due to many factors. 

The first stamps of the ''Papal State'' they were printed by the typography of (Reverenda Camera Apostolica) Reverend Apostolic chamber, on types of Doublet and Decoppet in sheets of 100 specimens , divided into 4 groups of 25 (5x5) separated by spaces, except for the 50 bajocchi values ed 1 scudo, which were printed in sheets of 50 specimens divided into two groups of 25 overlapping and separated from an interspace of 2 mm.
ABOUT COLORS .  Print runs follow one another from 1852 to the 1867 and from time to time there were changes of gradations in the colors and quality of fhe paper.
                       + +   The values from 1/2 (half),  1,  3,  4,  and 8 bajocchi they have  a double dividing thread (fillet) formed by horizontal sections continues and vertical segments of 18 mm each  ( 20 mm for values from 4 and 8 bajocchi ) .   In the first runs  1 baj.  ( n.2b)  it has fillets like other values (second composition).

In accordance with the entry into force in the Papal State of the decimal metric system and the new monetary system (18 Jun 1866) on September 21   1867 a new issue appeared in cents.   in hundredths of a lira but with the same subject as the previous stamps.

For the last 2...


This looks decent
The only issue are the "dots" in the front knee - there should be 2 groups of 2 - maybe just an inking issue
The best way is to check for the watermark
The 1851 wmk is spread out over the sheet so only partials show up on 1 stamp
The 1857 wmk is a very expensive stamp so doubtful




1851 Wmk



1857 Wmk




This looks very good and probably the 1858 Sasonne #7 rose brown
Unfortunately there is a secret mark covered up with the lower cancel frame
The forgeries I have look crude

You can't see much of the watermark because the watermark compared to the stamp it is much larger,....see photo below.....:

rex

 yes I basically have a portion of the corner pf \of the crown, (some of the curved line and a ball)

The titile of the thread (I think as this thread started long before i was a forum member) was  essentially a "catch all).  You can see the maunt of interest in a bit over 5 years!

Cheers

and thank you again

Stan

Have a few of those, Stan stainlessb - forgeries/real - I have not have the time to check 
Am sure one of our members is an "expert" !!


René

Did mean rex as an "expert" ( to my eyes....) which does not eliminate the 2 other active members 

Ludovico (rex ): I hope you don't think that anyone is mocking you, because I don't think that anyone is.

I would just mention that I have not changed the name of the thread simply because I consider it a 'philatelic' name, which isn't necessarily correct in other aspects.  The name 'Roman States' is what appears in English language stamp catalogues to classify the kinds of stamps shown in this thread, so I thought it would make sense to leave the name that way so that collectors could relate the name from the catalogue with the thread.

If you are really unhappy about the thread name, how about if I put a note at the top of the first post in this thread to explain your point about the name?  Would that make your point clear?  I admit that it is a bit of a compromise solution, but again, I thought it would make sense to keep the name consistent with the catalogue terms.

There are other instances that illustrate this same point.  For example: 'Russia'.  English language stamp catalogues use the name 'Russia' to include issues from Imperial Russia, to the USSR, and to the modern-day Russian Federation.  Others have asked before why stamps issued by the USSR, which clearly included more countries than just Russia, are all listed here under 'Russia'.  It's the same reason: this is how it appears in the catalogue, so for stamp-collecting purposes, it makes it easier to list it here on TSF the same way.

Does this make sense?  What do you think, Ludovico?