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Post by tonyvella on Dec 29, 2014 16:50:04 GMT
I was recently given a heads-up by a contact and fellow collector in Lisbon that the 1914 Tete 5c, 8c, and 10c Ceres have been reported with either star not perfectly aligned vertical; i.e. the vertical point is slightly shifted to left or right. All my Tete Ceres are perfectly vertical and I can find no other reference to these slanted varieties. Any additional information, obviously, appreciated in advance. [Broken image link removed] |
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Post by cjd on Dec 29, 2014 17:05:49 GMT
Tony, it is possible that it is rotated a bit one way or the other, but I thought the variety is an inverted star. There is a point on the bottom that points basically straight down. I'll see if I have an image tucked away on my hard drive. I can't check any specialist literature until I get home this evening.
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Post by rod222 on Dec 29, 2014 19:26:59 GMT
I was recently given a heads-up by a contact and fellow collector in Lisbon that the 1914 Tete 5c, 8c, and 10c Ceres have been reported with either star not perfectly aligned vertical; i.e. the vertical point is slightly shifted to left or right. All my Tete Ceres are perfectly vertical and I can find no other reference to these slanted varieties. Any additional information, obviously, appreciated in advance. Opinion: That makes sense to me Tony, the overprints are typography, and the only way the impression would remain constant is if the print run was only ever made at one printing. The minute a second print run was made, the typesetter would select his "stars" and one could imagine they would not be identical. My Tete stars Left and Right arms wave up and down when I toggle the images, and here is a Tete with the Stars Upside Down (As CJD suggested)  |
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Post by tonyvella on Dec 29, 2014 23:08:46 GMT
I have seen Tete stars pointing perfectly down; what I still have to see in Tete is the star pointing up but slightly off the perpendicular to starboard.
I believe the same applies to Port. Congo but again I'm not sure as all mine point perfectly up.
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Post by cjd on Dec 29, 2014 23:50:41 GMT
Tony- Obviously, I have to spend more time with my catalogues. Afinsa has illustrations for Types I, II and III, and prices for each combination:  Left to right, Type I, Type II and Type III As you say, this exists for Congo, too, with the addition of a Type IV leaning the other way. In my defense, I'm not in love with the Ceres issue, so I never noticed this information in the catalogue before... |
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Post by cjd on Dec 30, 2014 0:09:51 GMT
By the way, my Afinsa lists the two examples of the "leaner" as the left star on the 1/4c and the 1/2c, only, so perhaps the new information your friend was referring to was the discovery on additional values. Just a guess? (This assumes I'm reading the catalogue correctly, and I think I am.)
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Post by tonyvella on Dec 30, 2014 2:26:04 GMT
For those really interested in this stuff, I found an old note from an old Simões catalogue that the Portugal ¼c black comes in 64 varieties. Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.
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Post by cjd on Dec 30, 2014 3:08:47 GMT
Curses! Now I have to search out a Simões catalogue.
The first step is acknowledging you have a problem. I can never remember the second step. I think it is "buy one of everything you can find."
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Post by cjd on Dec 30, 2014 15:24:30 GMT
I checked the remaining colonies with shorter names (thus requiring the space-filling stars), and found a handful of colonies to add to the list. Each of the new additions have Types I through IV listed. India's listings are especially complicated because of perf and paper differences.
Anyway, the list is P. Congo, P. Guinea, P. India, Macao, Tete, and Timor. I think I got 'em all.
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Post by tonyvella on Dec 30, 2014 15:27:15 GMT
Careful there, cjd. Simões de Santos used to make a number of catalogs; mine was from the 80s. I say was because I had some three or four Simões catalogs in Portuguese and a Portugal-collecting friend from Toronto dropped in on us some time back and I gave them all to him because he was making a collection of catalogs. So don't buy the first Simões you see: the one you want, if I remember correctly, begins with the description of the different papers used for the Ceres ..... for some insane reason I kept a copy of the papers' page:
Os selos Ceres de Portugal
Papéis
Avergoado – é um papel que apresenta à transparência uma série de soluções de continuidade na pasta, em forma de linhas, que podem ser horizontais ou verticais, ou ainda formar losangos ou quadrados.
Liso – é um papel de massa uniforme, que quando examinado contra a luz não mostra manchas claras ou escuras.
Pontinhado – é um papel que apresenta, ao ser examinado contra a luz, uma rede de losangos. Esta classe de papel é a mais usual hoje em dia, chamando-se-lhe geralmente papel liso.
Esmalte – papel de boa qualidade, de superfície lustrada, sem qualquer preparo, o que resulta de o papel ser calandrado.
Lustrado – pnpel idêntico ao papel esmalte mas de pior qualidade.
Porcelana – papel preparado com uma camada de gesso. A sua superfície é macia e tem um brilho de pérola.
If you are not familiar with Portuguese I recommend you take any google-translate with a truck of salt; it's rather complex/technical language for machine translation.
I hope this helps and I also hope I am allowed to quote in a foreign language.
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Post by cjd on Dec 30, 2014 17:14:10 GMT
Thanks for that. There is a Brazilian sitting in the next office, so my Portuguese is translated in real time.
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Post by Admin on Dec 30, 2014 19:03:01 GMT
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