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Post by angore on Nov 10, 2019 16:52:21 GMT
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oregon1234
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Post by oregon1234 on Dec 5, 2019 20:24:18 GMT
Just wanted to mention that I too, have a rotary cutter because I quilt (I know, I know, I'm 40 but collect stamps, quilt, have cats, garden...I like mature hobbies!), and it is extremely sharp and ideal for cutting stamp mounts as long as you have a cutting mat and ruler. They are relatively inexpensive and can be bought in the fabric section of any craft store.
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Post by vikingeck on Dec 30, 2020 8:28:55 GMT
[ADMIN Note: This and the 5 posts that follow were moved from the DIY Album Pages thread.] I hope no one will be offended if I make three general comments concerning the use of black Hawid etc mounts to hold stamps , As an outside observer 1. I always feel the black margins can be overpowering unless they are trimmed or purpose made to fit the stamp . Mini guillotines are available for this if you don’ t have the right size and scissors may not leave a clean cut. 2 mounts which are not correctly fixed horizontally and vertically detract from the display 3. Stamps which are not sitting fair and square in their mounts are also distracting and spoil the overall effect I make these comments in light of my previous experience as an occasional displayer and exhibitor where judges can be critical of the overall appearance . It is the stamps that are important and should be set off to advantage by the frame.
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Post by stanley64 on Dec 30, 2020 9:17:13 GMT
Good points Alex ( vikingeck ) and taken in the spirit I am sure they were meant ;-) I would say though that the black mounts are 'fit for purpose' when highlighting cancels, perforations or even perfins. Cancels are usually done with black inks and a similarly coloured background can enhance them if that is the desire. At the same time, the darker background makes a stamp's teeth or perforations 'pop' and the contrast is ideal for highlighting them when appropriate, e.g. syncopated perforations. Trimming is key though and whether you are using black mounts or clear mounts over darker paper, clean cuts and square/level mounting are the order of the day... Happy collecting!
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angore
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Post by angore on Dec 30, 2020 11:56:11 GMT
This is why I do not like black mounts especially split back style mounts. Black highlights all the issues: cutting, placement, stamp orientation in the mount. When handling pages the stamps can move around in the mount. Also, split backs do not always fit the exactly so you have to center the stamp manually in the mount. The stamps are harder to adjust skew in split back.
My favorite is a clear top loading HAWID mount. They are much more forgiving. Clear mounts also mix well with hinged stamps if one hinges stamps. Of course, you lose the contrast between the perforations and the background.
So why did use black? For these regional pages I used black because I still have a lot so was using them up.
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Post by stainlessb on Dec 30, 2020 15:43:49 GMT
I like the look of the black mount and I agree poorly cut or mis-aligned affixed mounts is a distraction. If you'll scroll back through this thread you'll find where I changed from boxes the same size as the mount to a bolder framed box to give me some "wiggle room" when affixing the mount. I do like the look of a larger box to frame the mount, but the mount needs to be perfect otherwise it's like a picture on the wall that is crooked.
I use the split back Showgards, but only attach one half to the page (the lower half) so nothing "catches" when sliding into the sheet protector. I have purchased albums or portions there of where split back mounts were used and both halves affixed to the page and in many cases had to cut the mount to get the stamp out.
Cheers Stan
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Post by brightonpete on Dec 30, 2020 15:59:30 GMT
That's why I hate those split backs. Why soak the entire two halves of the mount? I couldn't believe that people do that! Why? The stamps will sit just fine with only a small portion at the bottom stuck to the page! I have only seen the complete mount stuck down when buying stamps from the APS StampStore. A sharpened kitchen paring knife is used to extract the stamps stuck down that way!
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Post by philatelia on Dec 30, 2020 17:31:44 GMT
Re split back mounts - I’ve seen many MNH stamps with gum disturbance that were damaged from the way the split back mounts were used. Licking both often gets the center wet, and the gum, too.
this is a helpful mount info discussion - Maybe moderator could move it so that it can be more easily found?
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Post by stanley64 on Dec 31, 2020 9:20:25 GMT
The following Mount tips apply to any of the stamp mounts that are available, both “split-back” (Showgard, Scott, etc.) and “Open Top” (Hawid) mounts.
2. Attaching the Mount To a Page • The most important “rule” of ALL: DO NOT moisten the mount with the stamp in the mount.
• DO NOT LICK the mount. Moisture may creep in at the mount edges. Use a damp cotton swab like Q-Tip (may be called Cotton Bud outside the US).
Indeed, cow licking the mount is not advised, with or without the stamps inside, as Jerry ( Jerry B ) rightly points out in the initial posting of this thread. Instead, I offer this example from another collector's efforts as the 'right' way to attach a mount,
Happy collecting!
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Post by brightonpete on Dec 31, 2020 10:55:49 GMT
and that is all I have ever done! Swallow any excess spit in my mouth, then lightly lick the centre bottom portion on the mount, with the stamp in the mount. I have done this since the 70's with absolutely no ill effects. When seeing an error, I can easily remove the mount & re-use it.
But I have seen a complete soaking of the entire gummed side of the mount. Why? That is not necessary! My mounts of these Canadian definitives that I am now beginning to re-do have been stable for 40+ years!
But then to each his own. Do it whichever way you like.
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angore
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Post by angore on Dec 31, 2020 11:44:40 GMT
I cannot believe someone would lick top and bottom of a split back mount but received collections where it was done. You need a small knife to extract them at times.
I used a q-tip to moisten the back with a small dab at top when I was using moisture.
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Post by vikingeck on Dec 31, 2020 13:28:58 GMT
But please consider using mounts appropriate to size of stamp.
Too much black border can overwhelm the stamp and looks like a funeral parlour . If the mounts are too big, learn to trim to size neatly , cleanly and straight , without scissor slippage .
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Post by philatelia on Dec 31, 2020 14:37:47 GMT
Some unscientific observations and personal opinions about mounts: I notice that when album manufacturers assemble a "hingeless" album, they use clear mounts. Either those are more popular, cheaper to manufacture, or some other reason for their prevalence. Also of the collections I've purchased, none of the European collections used black mounts - could be coincidence. Those seem to be much more popular here in the USA. I much prefer to buy collections with clear mounts because the used albums end up looking nicer and are more reusable. I rarely encounter damage from mounts from the clear mounts, but I find gum damage with split back mounts and also perf damage from too large stamps stuffed in too small split backs. It is also easier to remove stamps from the clear mounts.
I run my tongs across the top seam on split back mounts to remove the stamps. Fastest way I've found to extricate them without damaging the stamps.
BUT black mounts are sure better than Crystal mounts or even hinges! Remember those gawd awful shrinky wrinkly things? bleah! And black does provide higher contrast better enabling the eye to see perfs.
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Post by djcmh on Jan 1, 2021 12:50:49 GMT
One of the main reasons I switched to housing my collections on Vario Pages, not having to deal with the hassle and expense of mounts for mint stamps.
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Post by philatelia on Jan 1, 2021 13:13:54 GMT
djcmh - I also switched to Vario and Hagnar sheets, but mostly because I collect so many varieties of issues and constantly change the collection. It would cost me a fortune if I kept removing and remounting!
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angore
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Post by angore on Jan 1, 2021 13:29:05 GMT
I would like to find some white Hagner pages.
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Post by djcmh on Jan 1, 2021 13:48:43 GMT
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Post by norsten on Jan 1, 2021 14:12:09 GMT
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Post by madbaker on Feb 11, 2021 6:22:01 GMT
Ok, mounters. I think you've convinced me. After years of being a carefree happy hinger, I'm going to give mounts a try. Clear, top loaders. Any advice on a decent selections of sizes to pick up? Hinges were, for the most part, one size fits all. I'm assuming that, even with clear mounts, I want the whole stamp inside the mount. How much taller than the stamp do you go? Or is it just a case of 'one size bigger than the stamp'? I'm wary of buying 15 different heights. Do you really buy 24mm, 25mm and 26mm? would you trim down a 27mm to get the shorter sizes when needed? I already have 4 different blue, 3 red, 5 yellow paints that are all basically the same shade for my other hobby. So I'm quite curious what you do. PS - it seems like the time is right, especially after reading that Hawid will stop making mounts and essentially all mounts are Hawid. Is this the Dennison hinge story all over again?
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Post by angore on Feb 11, 2021 11:36:26 GMT
HAWID prices all mounts up to 33mm the same so you can just buy 33mm and trim as needed. This will cover most pre-1960 stamps.
I was using split backs and then slicing them in half to make top loaders but HAWID were a better value and saved time. I have noticed that Prinz/Scott material is not as stiff as Showgard or HAWID.
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Post by brightonpete on Feb 11, 2021 12:26:52 GMT
I was just buying the 55mm mounts and sizing them with my guillotine cutter. But just yesterday, I purchased a king size bundle of mounts in all sizes. Hopefully they'll last for a while. I look at the different this way - less plastic waste if I use properly sized mounts.
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Post by Admin on Mar 9, 2021 12:50:20 GMT
While trying to find an article sought by ameis33 , I came across a PowerPoint presentation given by the Chairman of the APS Preservation and Care of Philatelic Materials Committee. The presentation is titled " Stamps and Plastics - the Good and the Bad."
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Post by ameis33 on Mar 11, 2021 22:12:33 GMT
I must say thank's to Admin and angore . I have an italian translation of the Souder's article about plastics for stamps, but sometime the translation is not so good and i would like to look for the original version. Time ago, when i've purchased the translation, i tried to look for this article and aomewhere i could find it, but i can't find it now anymore... I will try to ask AP a copy of the article in Dec 2000 issue. About the powerpoint, i already have it. In principle, both articles raises me a lot of doubts. PVC in not good, but modern PVCs without plasticizers could be good and some producer use it (i always tought PVC NO!). Polypropylene which is the material of most of the office sleeves is also good (?). BTW! The result of this powerpoint are about a test of plastic material inside an oven. I believe any collector will ever put a stamp in a oven, but on the other side, how can you make a long duration test about effects of plastics on stamps? how long? not a week, not a month, not an year... 10-20 years... Ok, let's start now and see the results in 2040... Not sure that the effects of an oven are the same of 20 years lasting, but what else?
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jul 28, 2021 2:56:09 GMT
I wish someone made a stamp mount with the same adhesive that’s used on Post-It notes.
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Post by angore on Jul 28, 2021 10:42:57 GMT
The Elmer's craft glue stick provides many of the properties of a PostIt Notes.
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Post by brightonpete on Jul 28, 2021 11:08:19 GMT
As far as old style three hole punched, fold-over tab page protectors (from 50 years ago!) I never had any issues of stamp degradation at all. I still have albums that I made up back then with those page protectors. I'm glad I used them as who knows how the pages would have fared without them!
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jul 28, 2021 12:19:25 GMT
The Elmer's craft glue stick provides many of the properties of a PostIt Notes. I'm going to pick some of these up at lunch-time and see how it goes.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jul 28, 2021 12:20:24 GMT
As far as old style three hole punched, fold-over tab page protectors (from 50 years ago!) I never had any issues of stamp degradation at all. I still have albums that I made up back then with those page protectors. I'm glad I used them as who knows how the pages would have fared without them! I remember those things. I haven't seen one of those in a long time.
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Post by Andy Pastuszak on Jul 28, 2021 19:38:27 GMT
I went out at lunchtime and bought this:
I did some experimenting. They are repositionable. But they're not like Post-It™ mounts. You can get the mount off the page easily enough, but once you do, the glue does not hold again. like a Post-It™ does. You're going to need to apply glue again and push it down.
I wish they made glue sticks with a thin tip.
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Post by angore on Jul 28, 2021 20:04:00 GMT
Andy
That is what I use. I have had no issue re-applying for a reasonable time. If you do not overdo the glue after it has set, they usually pop off cleanly.
My Post it experience has been there is only a limited number of times it will continue stick. If you have any issues, just apply more.
My technique is to dab the album page and then go back and apply all the stamps. It was more controllable than applying to mount,
Yes, a thin tip would be better so I just apply glue at an angle.
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