zipper
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What I collect: Classic GB, QV, France Ceres/Napoleon, Classic U.S., Cinderella & Poster Stamps
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Post by zipper on Jun 9, 2015 8:44:06 GMT
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tomiseksj
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What I collect: Worldwide stamps/covers, Cinderellas, Ohio Prepaid Sales Tax Receipts, U.S. WWII Ration ephemera
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Post by tomiseksj on Aug 25, 2018 20:11:30 GMT
After a very long wait, I was finally able to complete my collection of the Kansas-Nebraska overprints (Scott 658-679; May 1, 1929). 
Per Scott, stamps with original gum have either one horizontal gum breaker ridge per stamp or portions of two at the extreme top and bottom of the stamps, 21mm apart. In his book How to Detect Damaged, Altered, and Repaired Stamps, Paul Schmid states that genuine Kansas and Nebraska overprints measure about 9.25 and 9.0 mm, respectively. He also notes that genuine overprints exist only on the 1929 shades of the perforated 10.5x11 set.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 23:03:31 GMT
For anyone interested... US.Kansas Nebraska counterfeit overprints 35 page APS 1973 article is available - PM me
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Aug 25, 2018 23:09:47 GMT
I have a copy of that APS booklet and when I bought it I was a bit surprised to find that 2/3 of it had to do with First Day Covers! Oh well, there's still plenty of good info in the 10 pages dealing with the counterfeits.
Ryan
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beezy07
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Post by beezy07 on Sept 14, 2018 16:23:11 GMT
So what's the big to do about these overprints?? Are they extra valuable or something or just a preference??
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Post by brightonpete on Sept 14, 2018 17:18:38 GMT
They are different, something else to collect!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 18:05:50 GMT
So what's the big to do about these overprints?? Are they extra valuable or something or just a preference?? Partly their history They were a failed attempt at overprinting to thwart thieves who stole stamps in one state and then sold them in other parts of the country. Partly the effort to get them all Getting a full set is both expensive ($1000-$2000+ if MNH) and challenging particularly given the abundance of forgeries.
The gum breakers and perforation mentioned above will catch 95%+ of the fakes Beyond that; When compared to originals, the fakes are a different color (most fakes are a brighter shade) and the overprints are naturally different in size and shape.
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tomiseksj
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What I collect: Worldwide stamps/covers, Cinderellas, Ohio Prepaid Sales Tax Receipts, U.S. WWII Ration ephemera
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Post by tomiseksj on Sept 14, 2018 18:20:31 GMT
So what's the big to do about these overprints?? Are they extra valuable or something or just a preference?? The overprints are what remains of a failed Post Office Department experiment intended to deter the theft of stamps. As originally formulated, the plan was to overprint stamps with the names for all 48 states and distribute them to all but the largest post offices in the respective states. The Bureau of Engraving and Printing objected but they did agreed to overprint stamps for Kansas and Nebraska which were in the territory of the postal inspector who originally devised the plan. The stamps created great confusion and the experiment was cancelled in less than one year. |
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beezy07
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Post by beezy07 on Sept 15, 2018 13:16:41 GMT
Oh I see. Nice. Thanks for the feedback.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 1:16:01 GMT
Genuine Templates
Although there are methods that eliminate the fakes fairly easily, a few are very dangerous. The overprint then needs to be carefully studied and measured but comparisons to a genuine are very difficult.
SO, I made transparent templates by using overprints with several recent certificates.
Example
This is the transparent template
This is a negative of a stamp provided by a TSF member
This is the template superimposed over the TSF stamp A PERFECT MATCH!
I do not collect US anymore and my set of these overprints is long gone but this "might" be helpful to some. Copy & download the templates here OR send me 1 of your overprints (min 600DPI and very good quality) and time permitting I will do an overlay. To do a test yourself, you will need a program that can adjust the size of each to match and do a negative - RetroReveal is excellent for this
You still have to allow for inking variations but the template will provide size and position of the letters.
Kans. Template
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brightonpete
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Post by brightonpete on Sept 16, 2018 14:39:51 GMT
When I first replied to the post by beezy07, the only post I saw was his. When next I viewed subsequent posts, the whole thing appeared. Sorry for that post I made. I wasn't shown the previous posts the first time I read it! |
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tomiseksj
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What I collect: Worldwide stamps/covers, Cinderellas, Ohio Prepaid Sales Tax Receipts, U.S. WWII Ration ephemera
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Post by tomiseksj on Sept 16, 2018 16:19:52 GMT
No need to apologize as the initial post was made in beezy07's introduction thread -- I moved both his and your post to the appropriate thread.
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Post by brightonpete on Sept 16, 2018 21:16:17 GMT
No need to apologize as the initial post was made in beezy07's introduction thread -- I moved both his and your post to the appropriate thread. I was wondering what had happened! Thanks for the explanation, tomiseksj |
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beezy07
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Post by beezy07 on Sept 19, 2018 9:52:00 GMT
I agree. No need for apologies. I'm very thankful to have you guys to turn to I know some but very little about this stuff. Lol. So I appreciate any feedback right or wrong the effort is what's important to me! I'm going to the library tomorrow to check out a couple stamp catalogs. Any suggestions or does anyone need specific information from any particular book? I'll get it while I'm there or at least look it up while I'm there. Let me know I got you!! I just ordered like 1,000 stamps today!! Lol. I'm gonna be busy first a bit
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