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Post by hs2oca on Jun 15, 2015 22:48:56 GMT
Can anyone read what is on this handwritten overprint? I'm quite sure it doesn't say "Aerial Trans-Atlantic Mail" (though that would be nice, as it would mean it was from the Hawker flight!). But I cannot tell what it says, even enlarged. Anyone with good eyesight or knowledge of handwriting out there, or postal knowledge, or technology to figure it out?
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Post by rod222 on Jun 16, 2015 0:16:55 GMT
Can anyone read what is on this handwritten overprint? I'm quite sure it doesn't say "Aerial Trans-Atlantic Mail" (though that would be nice, as it would mean it was from the Hawker flight!). But I cannot tell what it says, even enlarged. Anyone with good eyesight or knowledge of handwriting out there, or postal knowledge, or technology to figure it out? Canadian specialists would be able to advise if these issues were valid for fiscal or telegram use. I'd guess a signature with a date underneath. Laid on its side with Newfoundland reading up, one can discern a "3" which may indicate beginning of a date.
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Post by hs2oca on Jun 16, 2015 1:05:22 GMT
Thanks Rod. I'm off to see who I hope is a Canadian specialist next week. We were looking at it the other way up and reading that "3" as a fancy "E". Hmm...your way makes more sense...
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Post by rod222 on Jun 16, 2015 2:06:40 GMT
Thanks Rod. I'm off to see who I hope is a Canadian specialist next week. We were looking at it the other way up and reading that "3" as a fancy "E". Hmm...your way makes more sense... If it were British, you would almost certainly assume it to be fiscal, commonly seen with all sorts of scribbles. Newfoundland is a new collecting area for me. Another avenue, is to go to ebay, look for used Newfoundland, and look at the sorts of postmarks / scribbles that may be evidenced.
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Post by hs2oca on Jun 16, 2015 2:17:36 GMT
Thanks, off to try e-bay then. This stamp is drawing a blank on all the stamp boards I'm on. Wonder what it is?
Edited to Add: Just checked e-bay and didn't see anything like it for a cancel. Sigh...
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Post by rod222 on Jun 16, 2015 6:11:12 GMT
Thanks, off to try e-bay then. This stamp is drawing a blank on all the stamp boards I'm on. Wonder what it is? Edited to Add: Just checked e-bay and didn't see anything like it for a cancel. Sigh... Jean "Philately begins where the Catalogue ends" Your next avenue of attack, would be to search "Manuscript cancels" Newfoundland and search there. I am of the opinion that it is either just a scribble, or a manuscript cancel of some sort, of minimal value Should it been philatelic manual overprint, then the script would have been legible to some degree (1c Magenta Mauritius an exception) (The weird thing, yours appears to have a postal cancel as well) For me, the question remains, were these used for telegrams or Fiscal? If you are patient and keep searching, someone will know. The Newfoundland hand script would look like this ... (Sold for $40,000)
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jun 16, 2015 13:55:10 GMT
Definitely a script cancel,the why I don't know.Quite a few bill stamps and such are canceled this very way.Could this also have been used as such ? I would say probably, I however am not a Newfoundland fiscal authority.Nice item of interest and you should be commended for investigating it.
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Post by tomiseksj on Jun 16, 2015 14:56:12 GMT
The exhibit Newfoundland Fiscal Stamps and Usage (Terrance R. Harris, Gold at ORAPEX 2009) addresses the use of regular postage stamps for fiscal purposes (frame 2 beginning with page 15). My take on the information presented in the exhibit is that, if the stamp shown in the original post was used as a fiscal, the revenue rates for period usage would have meant that the stamp was one of several placed on either a bill of exchange or charter parties instrument. Over payment of the 2c rate for other instruments is also a possibility, but probably unlikely.
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Post by hs2oca on Jun 16, 2015 17:19:53 GMT
Thanks guys. Nothing showed up in the "Manuscript Cancels Newfoundland" search. And "Newfoundland Fiscal Stamps and Usage" doesn't show it at a quick glance. But I want to spend time going through that document in further detail this evening when I have more time. Edited to add: that cover has me salivating Rod! It's gorgeous!
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Post by rod222 on Jun 16, 2015 20:00:38 GMT
The exhibit Newfoundland Fiscal Stamps and Usage (Terrance R. Harris, Gold at ORAPEX 2009) addresses the use of regular postage stamps for fiscal purposes (frame 2 beginning with page 15). My take on the information presented in the exhibit is that, if the stamp shown in the original post was used as a fiscal, the revenue rates for period usage would have meant that the stamp was one of several placed on either a bill of exchange or charter parties instrument. Over payment of the 2c rate for other instruments is also a possibility, but probably unlikely. Fabulous detective work, Steve. Well done, you. This would answer James' query, as well
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Post by hs2oca on Jun 16, 2015 23:26:18 GMT
After reading through the link you posted I think you are correct Steve. It appears to be some kind of NFLD fiscal stamp. Not sure what yet, but maybe eventually something will come to light. Though the canceling with daub and with writing seems odd... Taking it with me to Edmonton next week. Will swing back home through Saskatoon. Hopefully some of the philatelists in those cities will have an idea what it is more precisely.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jun 17, 2015 18:30:08 GMT
Congrats on reaching the magic 50 posts.Love seeing your stuff.
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Post by irishjack on Jun 17, 2015 19:58:33 GMT
One of the best resources for looking at cancels is retroreveal.org/ you will be able to isolate the cancel and see it much clearer I placed your stamp and played around a little, you probably want a nice 600 or 1200dpi scan
The following 2 images I used retroreveal to help show the cancel these were at 600dpi
As you can see it really helps, you will get many different saturations of the image and one of them will help aid you.
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Post by hs2oca on Jun 17, 2015 22:26:08 GMT
Thanks Jack. I'll play with it and see what happens... edited to add: It works great! But the writing is just scribbles from what I can tell. Looks like 3100 W or M written a couple times across it and something else in-between. This is almost as bad as deciphering my doctor's handwriting! Also, that scan was at 600 dpi. Am I doing something wrong with it?
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Post by rod222 on Jun 18, 2015 1:44:33 GMT
Thanks Jack. I'll play with it and see what happens... edited to add: It works great! But the writing is just scribbles from what I can tell. Looks like 3100 W or M written a couple times across it and something else in-between. This is almost as bad as deciphering my doctor's handwriting! Also, that scan was at 600 dpi. Am I doing something wrong with it? I agree, It looks like the author dated it twice, the upper and lower scribbles are similar, I'd guess his signature in between. Put it down as a manuscript cancel, alongside your mounted used or mint. If it was on a receipt for goods or services, it could have been any store owner scribbling a cancellation.
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Post by hs2oca on Jun 18, 2015 2:09:40 GMT
Thanks Rod. I think that one's a done deal then. Onto the next stamp!
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Post by jimjung on Jun 18, 2015 10:57:49 GMT
Looks like Mar 08 Snoos Hoate. Could be from a small town, or since this is Newfoundland, maybe a ferry or small vessel. Someone without a cancelling device wrote on the stamp. The release date is Jan 2, 1919 just after WW1.
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