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Post by rod222 on Jul 20, 2024 13:32:56 GMT
Most British Commonwealth/Colonies stamps showing Q. Victoria appear to maintain the young head image throughout her reign - and this 1d. Stamp Duty issue from Victoria (Australia) is no exception - cancelled this date in 1897 at Melbourne. Believe this is SG 313, from a set of Stamp Duty issues which remained current 1886 to 1896 ................. reading the SG catalogue it looks like they were aiming for a record number of shades ........ dull chestnut - deep red-brown - orange-brown - brown-red - yellow-brown - bright yellow-orange and brownish-orange - all for just this one issue/value. Have attached picture showing, perhaps, two or three of these colours.  Hi Paul, The rosine 1d (Reading Design) Scott 0181 was issued 2nd August 1901, colour changed to comply with UPU requirements. Exists: Olive Green (1901) Scott 0192 Postal use to 30th June 1901, then restricted to fiscal use) |
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Post by paul1 on Jul 20, 2024 21:08:28 GMT
evening rod222 - thanks for your input, though regret that I lack any knowledge of Scott, and SG is normally my Bible - however, looking again in my SG catalogue, and reading with a little more intelligence, I see that the issue date for the 1d. Rosine - which I assume you're referring to as the colour shade top right in my picture, is given as '1900' and is SG 357 - so thanks for the date correction there.
Colours aren't easy, and there's little difference between the shades of 'rose-red' and 'rosine' - so the jury may still be out on that question - it's one of life's little tragedies that we don't all use the same catalogue.
Agree with you that SG 358 is what Gibbons describe as simply 'olive' (catalogue date 2020), and issued June 1901 - not the best of catalogue colour descriptions - in fact in my Colour Chart there isn't an 'olive' - various olive somethings or something olive, but I certainly don't have anything approaching 'olive green' - yet. This 1d. is certainly a stamp with a large colour pedigree - as always, thanks for the help.
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Post by rod222 on Jul 20, 2024 21:41:25 GMT
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1d. Rosine - which I assume you're referring to as the colour shade top right in my picture, is given as '1900' and is SG 357Hi Paul, Oops! you skipped a design, the stamp is SG 331  No probs, it happens to us all. ------------ "You are a better man than I, Gunga din" (Rudyard Kipling) I do not take on shades, colour drives me potty I just scan stamps of similar issue, and if something really stands out, I'll check Colour between Scott and SG vary widely. SG 331 
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Post by paul1 on Jul 21, 2024 7:24:05 GMT
thanks again rod - however, the gremlin in the works here maybe due to me having a 2020 catalogue and not something more recent - by the sound of things SG have rearranged their catalogue Nos. My 2020 catalogue shows 331 as 1/2d. 'emerald', and nothing to do with 1d. rosine - I assume you do have the current 2024 'Commonwealth and Empire 1840 - 1970' catalogue? The rather obvious problem that needs remembering is any potential colour change that can occur with used stamps - and that's the effect that may occur depending on how life treats our used stamps, and makes comparison with catalogue shades perhaps unreliable. Unfortunately, the catalogue in question is not cheap - something approaching £90, and it always cheeses me off since the quality is v. poor - the rear board came off my copy fairly quickly. Anyway, I'm not doubting your words - and this is a good stamp to have been discussing - many thanks your contribution.
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Post by rod222 on Jul 21, 2024 7:56:17 GMT
thanks again rod - however, the gremlin in the works here maybe due to me having a 2020 catalogue and not something more recent - by the sound of things SG have rearranged their catalogue Nos. My 2020 catalogue shows 331 as 1/2d. 'emerald', and nothing to do with 1d. rosine - I assume you do have the current 2024 'Commonwealth and Empire 1840 - 1970' catalogue? The rather obvious problem that needs remembering is the potential change that can occur with used stamps - and that's the effect that may occur depending on how life treats our used stamps, and makes comparison with catalogue shades perhaps unreliable. Unfortunately, the catalogue in question is not cheap - something approaching £90, and it always cheeses me off since the quality is v. poor - the rear board came off my copy fairly quickly. Anyway, I'm not doubting your words - and this is a good stamp to have been discussing - many thanks your contribution. Right! I had not thought of that. Sorry to hear, Paul. But No, I have not been hired by the Throwaway Posse, I hoard everything, nothing is ditched. I am working from a 1993 Stanley Gibbons (Part 1 and 2) (But employ Scott for my Albums, SG is there to support varieties not shown in Scott) (I bought from a car boot sale when I was poor, and out of work) (I would have paid $5-$10 for them) Before that, I was working from an SG 1969 "simplified" whole world Catalogue, the 1993 Catalogue was a huge jump. It's been kicked around and abused, but still works  Stanley Gibbons Victoria (Australia) Types "68" (aka The Readings Issue)     |
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Post by rod222 on Jul 21, 2024 8:19:29 GMT
rod, I shall come back to your images taken from your 1993 catalogue in the next hour or two .............. meantime Sunday morning is my time for doing the housework:-) Great to hear ! another chance to meditate whilst doing the daily tasks. I tend to tackle the tasks (first) that bring up aversion. Today I mowed both my lawns, and buried the kitchen scraps. |
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Post by paul1 on Jul 21, 2024 11:25:40 GMT
Hi rod - coming back to the apparent variation of SG Nos. - relative to catalogue age .............. As you know, SG have their own ref. Nos. - other than the main SG catalogue Nos. - that they use as 'type' Nos. when referring to pix in their catalogues. All of the 1d. stamp duty shades we're discussing here, are referable to Gibbons own type No. 72, and this is shown alongside the various main SG catalogue Nos. (the 300 series of numbers), and my comments that follow are taken from their 2020 'Commonwealth & British Empire Stamps 1840 - 1970' catalogue.
Type 72 begins life with catalogue No. SG 313 (1890 - 1894), and includes the largest number of shades (seven in total) - the same type No. again sees use in 1891 to cover what SG call an 'emergency printing due to a shortage of correct paper, and this is covered by SG catalogue No. 329.
The period 1896 to 1899 sees the type No. 72 back in use for two shades, and these are designated by catalogue No. SG 332.
The final outing for type 72 occurs 1899 to 1901, and this covers the 'rosine' and 'rose-red' - both of which are given the SG catalogue No. 357 - PLUS - the very last use of type 72 was provided for the 'olive', and which has the SG catalogue No. 358.
Of course, SG themselves may have altered some of the above in subsequent catalogues - perhaps someone might care to shout if that is the case.
It would appear that your 1993, two part catalogue, may be at odds with the above? (smile).
P.S. Britain has outlawed fox hunting - but tbh I don't have much sympathy for these creatures - the dog foxes smell horrendously - they dig holes everywhere in the garden - they bring everyone else's rubbish into my garden. I have a .22 air rifle and would like to shoot them but living in suburbia I'd probably be reported for doing so. (sad smile).
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Post by rod222 on Jul 21, 2024 13:13:22 GMT
paul1Thank you Paul, my SG is indeed out of date, I'll mark across the pages (Victoria) SG NUMBERS HAVE BEEN ALTERED SG 331 
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