oldtriguy
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Post by oldtriguy on Jan 26, 2016 2:10:47 GMT
I need to build up my # posts so here are some pics of my France Airmail pages:
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oldtriguy
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Post by oldtriguy on Jan 26, 2016 2:11:19 GMT
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oldtriguy
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Post by oldtriguy on Jan 26, 2016 2:11:57 GMT
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Post by oldtriguy on Jan 26, 2016 2:12:26 GMT
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Post by oldtriguy on Jan 26, 2016 2:12:54 GMT
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oldtriguy
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Post by oldtriguy on Jan 26, 2016 2:13:56 GMT
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I think I have added a couple to this page since I last scanned it....
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oldtriguy
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Post by oldtriguy on Jan 26, 2016 2:14:33 GMT
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oldtriguy
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Post by oldtriguy on Jan 26, 2016 2:15:24 GMT
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oldtriguy
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Post by oldtriguy on Jan 26, 2016 2:18:26 GMT
As you all can see, I'm missing a few yet.
Also have some of the perf varieties of the more modern issues, but still lacking some.
I have always had a difficult time distinguishing between C37 and C37a. Any help there would be appreciated.
Dave N.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jan 26, 2016 5:01:31 GMT
As you all can see, I'm missing a few yet. Also have some of the perf varieties of the more modern issues, but still lacking some. I have always had a difficult time distinguishing between C37 and C37a. Any help there would be appreciated. Dave N. C37 is bi-coloured (Violet Blue and Ultramarine) C37a is just Ultramarine Hope that helps. |
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AirmailEd
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Post by AirmailEd on Jan 26, 2016 17:52:40 GMT
I need to build up my # posts so here are some pics of my France Airmail pages:
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Dave: I too specialize in worldwide, older airmail stamps. Glad to see someone else with this sickness! At the top of the above page, you have a Georges Guynemer label. Last summer, we had a long exchange about this stamp, finally reaching the conclusion that it was required on airmail letters in the early 1920s. If you haven't read all that, I commend it to you. It is a great example of the value of this board, and of friendships among people who have never met. Please post more of your collection. |
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oldtriguy
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Post by oldtriguy on Jan 26, 2016 22:20:35 GMT
Hi Ed!
Thanks for the referral to the prior info on the label. I'm gonna go read it now....
Dave N.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jan 26, 2016 22:47:15 GMT
I have been looking for one for years,
never seen one on ebay,
yet only Scott CV of $3-$4 ?
something indeed strange here.
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oldtriguy
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Post by oldtriguy on Jan 26, 2016 23:06:28 GMT
Excellent Thread about that Airmail label.
I checked and saw a recent e-bay listing for one for a little less than $3.00
Wish I had some extras. I always wondered about that label. Never knew what it was, but wanted it on my France Airs page anyway!
Dave N.
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AirmailEd
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Post by AirmailEd on Jan 27, 2016 2:35:41 GMT
There's a load of Guynemers on Delcampe.net. Well-centered ones are spendy. Most have awful centering.
In addition to the centering, the print quality is just terrible. Certainly not up to the French standards of that era, or any other.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Jan 27, 2016 4:33:37 GMT
I have been looking for one for years, never seen one on ebay, yet only Scott CV of $3-$4 ? something indeed strange here. Strike me Pink ! I had one all along. It was under my nose all the time. Here is mine, Scott # C37a (Ultramarine)  ...and the Sc#C37 Violet Blue and Ultramarine.  |
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oldtriguy
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Post by oldtriguy on Jan 27, 2016 16:05:17 GMT
Way to go Mr. Pink, I mean Rod222!
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oldtriguy
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Post by oldtriguy on Jan 28, 2016 23:14:07 GMT
I checked my France C37s to see if I had a C37a hiding there. No luck.
What I did find out though, was that the inking of the Violet Blue can vary quite a bit. Some copies had much stronger Violet Blue than other copies.
I even had one copy where the violet blue was very weak and at first I thought I might have a C37a, but on closer look with a magnifier, I could see some of the violet blue "halo" around the plane.
Maybe I'll post a copy of the strongest Violet Blue and weakest violet blue into my album to show the range of violet blue coloring....
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on Dec 28, 2020 22:50:26 GMT
my newest addition (part of my Christmas present to myself!) France Airmail Yvert #15, 1936 with cert!   |
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 3, 2021 23:35:04 GMT
This thread needs some attention!! 1949 C23 100F, not especially rare, but the perfin on this is "curious" CL is associated to Credit Lyonnaisse, the banking giant. This perfin at first glance looks like Ancoper CL 190 which would be associated with Algeria. There are only three (3) "mini" perfins listed- the missing pin in the upright of the L looks just like CL 190, except according to Ancoper was only used from 1894 - 1903.... so this stamp is much to "back to the future". It is more likely Ancoper # CL 1889 which was in use forom 1882 - 1952 by various agencies/offices and it appears the perforation press/punch has lost a pin.... except the final perf on the foot of the L drops .... which doesn't quite match.... but maybe just more of a worn perfin press (?)  here's the back....  ... and here's the back mirrored so it's not backwards  |
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Post by wvgm3 on Apr 7, 2024 17:14:36 GMT
Time to rejuvenate this thread! Starting from the beginning (though I will skip the precurseur Guynemer due to it treatment in other threads, including the beginning of this one), what follows is a fairly thorough summary of PA1. The first image shows two distinct shades: position 1 is a bright orange with a very dark green background color (teinte de fond) that is slightly shifted up and to the left, position 2 is the standard shade.
The second image is PA1 with the Marseille Salon Aviation 1927 cancellation in the selvage. The third image shows two cancelled versions: position 1 is another Salon cancellation this time on the stamp, while position 2 is likely to be a forgery, though I have not had it experized yet. Note the different spacing of the letters, the different thicknesses of the letters, different position of the overprint and the lower quality linework of the plane. Other opinions?
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Post by wvgm3 on Apr 7, 2024 17:22:18 GMT
Next, we'll move on to varieties of PA1. Yvert only lists one, PA1a, the broken shield (ecussion brise), while Spink/Maury lists PA1a and PA1b, the broken right strut (hauban de droite brise). The first image is PA1a, cropped from a block, with the entire block shown in the second image.
The second image shows an unusual block of four of PA1, with the lower left being PA1a and the lower right being PA1b. The third image shows two more views of PA1b, with the break in the strut being in different locations.
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Post by wvgm3 on Apr 7, 2024 17:26:53 GMT
Finally, another block of 4 of PA1, with another PA1b in the lower right. This is considered a very rare block due to its superb centering (for this issue).  |
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Post by wvgm3 on Apr 7, 2024 22:16:52 GMT
On to PA2. This post has two images. The first image has two shades of mint PA2. I have never seen a shade of the 5f, whether in the regular postes (Yv123) or airmail (PA2), with this bright blue shade (position 1). There is no reference to such a shade in either Y&T or Spink/Maury, so I am suspicious that the stamp may have been treated somehow to make the colors pop like this. Position 2 is the standard shade.
The second image has two cancelled PA2 stamps. Position 1 has the Marseilles Salon Aviation cancellation, while position 2 seems likely to be a forgery. Similar to my post with PA1, the overprint has a very difference appearance in the quality of the typography with the entire "Poste Aerienne" being fuzzy, offset from the normal overprint location, and the plane is merely a smear of ink, conveniently hidden by a indecipherable postmark.
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Post by wvgm3 on Apr 7, 2024 22:19:57 GMT
Now onto to the lone variety, PA2a. Y&T does not list any varieties, while Spink/Maury list PA2a, the broken right strut. The image shows two mint versions with the strut broken in different locations and one cancelled version.  |
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Post by wvgm3 on Apr 7, 2024 22:21:02 GMT
Finally for PA2, attached is a beautifully centered block of 4, quite rare.  |
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Post by wvgm3 on Apr 8, 2024 0:04:01 GMT
Here is PA3 from my collection, Yv 243 surcharged with 10f. A very difficult stamp to find, with only 2700 printed, according to Y&T. Two versions, one MH and one MNH, both signed by various experts. The third stamp (on the far right) appears to be an obvious forgery.  |
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Post by wvgm3 on Apr 8, 2024 0:10:39 GMT
On to PA4, Yv 181 surcharged with 10f. Printing of only 900. Two versions, both MH and signed. Also attached is a forgery, or as La Postale calls it, a facsimilie, that I acquired a few years ago. The line quality in the overprint is not nearly as sharp and the R of FR. is flawed.   |
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Post by wvgm3 on Apr 8, 2024 0:15:57 GMT
PA 4A is only listed by Spink/Maury. It is an essay, non emis (not sold) of the paquebot Ile de France, which is apparently found in various colors and in either perforated or imperf states. I only have the imperf version in black.  |
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Post by wvgm3 on Apr 8, 2024 1:30:43 GMT
PA5 here, 1f 50 carmin, Plane over the port of Marseille, printed in 1930, a well known French airmail stamp. First image shows 4 shades which to my eyes are distinct: Top row -- Carmin and Carmin clair, Bottom Row -- Carmin fonce and Carmin tres fonce. Neither Y&T or Spink/Maury lists any shades.
Second image Top row appears to be printed on a different (yellowish) paper. I have a number of these in both mint and cancelled, so it seems likely that it is not oxidation. Bottom row shows two shades in cancelled versions.
Third image is a block of 4.
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