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Post by rod222 on Mar 7, 2016 15:57:35 GMT
Suggestion. If a member adds a PERFIN ID, I'll add it to the database, when I post fresh pages, I can delete the individual posts, to keep this ID database compact, and easily read? yes/no ? There will be 4 pages to start.   |
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Jan 8, 2017 16:11:44 GMT
The Perfin Society states that 24,385 different perfin designs had been cataloged on British postage stamps by 31st March 2016. That means the two pages shown above are just the tip of the tip of the iceberg. If you have information on any of the perfins shown below I hope you'll share it here.
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firstfrog2013
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jan 10, 2017 21:42:27 GMT
Gb perfins are on the cusp of my interest. I've developed a small fledgling collection of Canadian private perfins and am still actively pursuing them.I would love to see some more of w/w perfins.I understand many countries used them and there must be some in your collections.
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Post by Admin on Jan 11, 2017 1:29:03 GMT
I have many early years and a few sea horses. I going to make time this weekend and scan for you to drool over
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tomiseksj
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Post by tomiseksj on Jan 29, 2017 14:52:00 GMT
I just acquired this Great Britain 5 shilling carmine rose QV (Scott 108; 1884) with perfin C & Co (with two dots under the 'o'). Any idea which company used this perfin? |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 22, 2017 19:53:06 GMT
Hello, GB Perfins thread! Disclaimer: I know only the most basic things about perfins, and I do not collect them, although I have some in my collection. In general, I have tried to avoid putting examples of perfins in my WW collection.
Question: Is there any possible generalization about how a stamp's being a perfin will impact its value? Or is it all completely specific to the stamp in question and the perfin?
The reason I am asking is that I found a very nice looking, high cat value stamp on eBay which has all of the attributes I would normally want: excellent centering, light cancellation, good color, etc., but I have hesitated to buy it due to the fact that it is a perfin.
I have only a Scott Classic Specialized Catalogue readily at my disposal. Is there any simple way to figure out whether this stamp is worth pursuing and if the fact that it is a perfin would either increase or decrease its value compared to the same stamp which is not?
I am interested in any and all opinions on this matter, as I am woefully ignorant about perfins. Thanks!
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firstfrog2013
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Feb 23, 2017 1:01:34 GMT
Beryllium ,While not schooled in GB perfins I do collect Canadian perfins.The price for a used perfin is basically the same as a used stamp although a stamp with an added rarity factor for limited use Companies can go much much higher.I only dabble in them a bit and collect only one orientation (any) of each.There are eight ways the stamp could sit on the perferater so eight actually different collectables of each stamp.That is beyond where I'm willing to take it.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 23, 2017 5:28:54 GMT
Beryllium ,While not schooled in GB perfins I do collect Canadian perfins.The price for a used perfin is basically the same as a used stamp although a stamp with an added rarity factor for limited use Companies can go much much higher.I only dabble in them a bit and collect only one orientation (any) of each.There are eight ways the stamp could sit on the perferater so eight actually different collectables of each stamp.That is beyond where I'm willing to take it. Thank you very much for the comments, Frog. This is good information.
It's all a moot point for me now, as someone else has bought the stamp I had my eye on. Guess I'll just have to bid more on your TSF Donation Auction Lot now!
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Post by Anping on May 7, 2017 12:14:07 GMT
I have this 1858 GB 2d (very deep) blue; SG 47 (plate 15), with perfin I & W. This seems to be a rather early use of a perfin security marking. Can anyone suggest who I & W were, and whether this is an unusually early usage? I have posted this elsewhere with the same question. As my GB knowledge is very scant, does anyone know the earliest recorded date of perfin use? |
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Post by tomiseksj on May 7, 2017 12:55:27 GMT
...As my GB knowledge is very scant, does anyone know the earliest recorded date of perfin use? According to The Perfin Society's FAQ page, official authorization to allow the perforation of British postage stamps was granted on March 13, 1868 and the earliest known cancellation of a perfin was November 1868. |
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Post by Anping on May 7, 2017 13:07:57 GMT
According to The Perfin Society's FAQ page, official authorization to allow the perforation of British postage stamps was granted on March 13, 1868 and the earliest known cancellation of a perfin was November 1868. Thank you for the info. So I wonder what we have here. There are a number of possibilities I suppose, one of which being the very late usage of an 1858 stamp. But this seems very odd to me; would a trading company have 10 year old unused stamps (at minimum) lying around? |
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Post by tomiseksj on May 7, 2017 13:17:36 GMT
It is difficult to tell from the image but the stamp appears to have been printed from plate 15 which Scott attributes to 1869.
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Post by Anping on May 7, 2017 13:23:21 GMT
I've just checked information on the Perfin Society's website in respect of 'stamps not recorded perfinned before 1961'. Surprisingly, only the Plate 7 of the same 1858 2d blue issue falls into that category.
So this suggests that very late usage must have been rather widespread, and that some companies must have stock piled stamps for their mailings (which to me, does seem a rather strange thing to do).
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Post by Anping on May 7, 2017 13:33:03 GMT
It is difficult to tell from the image but the stamp appears to have been printed from plate 15 which Scott attributes to 1869. I just missed your post there. I don't have a Gibbons catalogue at hand, so I can't check that. I only bought this yesterday and have relied upon the dealer's small label that was attached (he is an ex Stanley Gibbons employee with over 50 years of dealing experience; and this was the first he had seen). If 1869 is indeed the plate 15 printing date, then that would resolve my question. Yet it would still be a rather early example. |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 9, 2017 20:41:31 GMT
Well, tregeor, I didn't end up with any Great Britain Queen Victoria acquisitions at WESTPEX, so I decided to post this one to make it up to you. This is the highest CV GB Queen Victoria stamp in my collection, and it also happens to be a perfin, so I thought I would post the images here. I know next to nothing about perfins, and I almost didn't buy this stamp because of that. But in the end, the price was fair, and the centering and light postmark were much better than any other copy of this stamp that I could find, so I bought it anyway. If anyone wants to comment about the perfin and its effect on the value of this stamp, I would be pleased to learn more. Thanks!   |
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Post by Anping on May 9, 2017 21:32:44 GMT
That's a nice looking stamp. The ones I have seen generally have a rather smudged invasive cancellation. I know very little about GB, so I couldn't say how perfins affect these high values, price wise. All I know is that there is much more interest in security markings generally.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on May 9, 2017 21:55:07 GMT
That's a nice looking stamp. The ones I have seen generally have a rather smudged invasive cancellation. I know very little about GB, so I couldn't say how perfins affect these high values, price wise. All I know is that there is much more interest in security markings generally. Thanks, Anping! I have long wanted one of these high-denomination Victoria issues, but couldn't afford one for years, and then when I had the resources to look, didn't like what I was finding. This is the nicest copy I found after a very long time looking, and in the end, I compromised and accepted the perfin because everything else about the stamp was just what I had always hoped to find. I agree that most other copies have heavy or otherwise obliterating cancellations, although I realize that many other collectors really prize copies of these stamps with SON postmarks. Anyway, thanks for noticing, and let's see if someone else who knows more about these things, like tomiseksj, will be able to tell us more. |
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Post by brightonpete on Feb 9, 2020 19:05:30 GMT
Going through the Machin's I have, I found this one... Does anyone know what this one translates to? |
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Post by tomiseksj on Feb 9, 2020 19:33:25 GMT
Found this on an ebid listing that presumes that the "LC" perfin on the stamp postmarked in Leicester is from "Leicester Council."  The seller's description: |
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Post by brightonpete on Feb 9, 2020 20:03:50 GMT
Thanks, Steve ( tomiseksj ) Too bad there isn't a cancel of any sort on my stamp. |
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Post by guyana1230 on Mar 16, 2020 20:50:28 GMT
Just found this perfin "Dr J Co  have been told this is Dr Jaegers Sanitary Woollen Company Limited, in use 1890-1925, clothing company started out making woollen long johns. Later company known as Jaeger |
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Post by guyana1230 on Mar 16, 2020 21:38:46 GMT
Great Western Railways   |
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Post by guyana1230 on Mar 17, 2020 17:22:59 GMT
Essex County Council   |
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Post by guyana1230 on Mar 17, 2020 17:25:01 GMT
Marshall & Snelgrove Ltd, Departmental store   |
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Post by guyana1230 on Mar 17, 2020 17:28:40 GMT
Corporation of London, Guildhall House, 81-97 Gresham Street, London EC2, 1925-1975;   |
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Post by guyana1230 on Mar 18, 2020 12:55:29 GMT
An older and newer version of the Prudential Assurance Company perfin;   |
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Post by guyana1230 on Mar 18, 2020 12:57:10 GMT
This one is a mess cannot work out much from it;   |
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Post by cjoprey on Mar 18, 2020 13:09:32 GMT
This one is a mess cannot work out much from it; Dart practice???  |
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Post by guyana1230 on Mar 18, 2020 21:22:06 GMT
Anglo-Austrian Colonial & Overseas Bank Ltd, Bishopsgate, London EC2   |
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Post by thegubman on Apr 3, 2020 8:14:58 GMT
  A small group of Perkins that I have. Generally they sell well on eBay. As has been said earlier in this thread the GB perrin society website is fantastic and full of useful information along with extensive lists of known Perkins. Graham |
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