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Post by thegubman on Apr 3, 2020 20:31:50 GMT
Not mine but very nice, board of trade QV and KEVII issues
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Apr 3, 2020 20:31:59 GMT
You mean PERFINS Graham ?? (I refer to the previous post 2 above )I guess auto correct has been busy to produce perrin and Perkins, or is that a company with its own perfin
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Post by thegubman on Apr 3, 2020 20:56:38 GMT
PERFINS not autocorrected
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Post by thegubman on Apr 9, 2020 6:47:32 GMT
GB QV 1d red perf plate 207 lettered EH with Numeral postmark perfin S & S. Graham
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Post by feebletodix on Apr 9, 2020 8:44:29 GMT
Here are a few rows I have stashed waiting to be written up:- and perfin GS & Co, George Slater & Co, West Bromwich (plate 225)
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Post by thegubman on Apr 10, 2020 7:12:22 GMT
Plate 225 very nice:)
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Post by thegubman on Apr 10, 2020 13:24:37 GMT
GB 2/6 seahorse KGV 1931 with M C Co perfin. Graham
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Post by thegubman on Apr 11, 2020 11:50:28 GMT
GB QV 5d green with HERTZ perfin around 1880. Graham
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Post by thegubman on Apr 11, 2020 11:56:41 GMT
GB QV 2d lilac lettered DE with numeral 383 (Hull) postmark perfin M R M & Co around 1880. Graham
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Post by thegubman on Apr 11, 2020 12:00:05 GMT
GB QV 9d jubilee issue with B S perfin. Graham
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Post by thegubman on Apr 17, 2020 9:59:53 GMT
A few more to add to the thread. Graham
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Post by paul1 on Apr 17, 2020 17:07:29 GMT
I've only just found this thread - it's fascinating, though I think the guys who put my collections together must have binned most of their perfins - I can't find more than about thirty all told. Have I missed something or is it a shame that we can't see the other side of Graham's stamps? ;-) Going on reign alone, the person who comes out on top for the most examples, overall in my collection, is G. VI, but they occur right through it seems from the blues and reds onwards. Anyway here's my first contribution - three reds and couple of other low values, all perforate and all from Victoria - I'll try and get the later reigns done when other stamping allows. Hope I have the plate Nos. correct - not always easy to peer through the dirt and cancellation marks. First, the reds ………... one ……….. plate 204 - lettered BA/AB, with digit 1 in diamond within barred oval obliterator - the perfin reads I & R over M. Looking in G. Brumell's book, the No. 1 in a diamond indicates Highgate (London - as in Highgate Cemetery). two …...…..plate 109 - lettered LL/LL and same obliteration as previous except the No. is 3 - the perfin reads KEEN & Co. If I'm doing this properly then the No. 3 should be Whetstone, which again is in the London area. three …….. this is either plate 183 or 187 - lettered KG/GK - the condition of this stamp is poor and printed heavily off-centre, plus it looks like it's been attacked with shears. The obliterator is again in bar form and the No. is 383 - isn't in a diamond, so assume this cancellation post dates the other two reds, and appears the book gives this No. as Hull (Yorks.) The perfin reads VF Co., but is off-centre and not sure we're seeing it all. Would be v. interested if someone is able to add some info re dating of these three please - thanks:-) the other two are as you see them - later in date, probably from the mid 1880s …….. perfin for the halfpenny reads WOH & Co. and for the tuppence halfpenny it reads HUTH Would be good if we can id these perfins as to which Companies they represented.:-)
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Post by paul1 on Apr 17, 2020 21:00:40 GMT
going back to brightonpete's question about perfin L C on an 18p Machin - my opinion is that this isn't Leicester Council as suggested by steve ……………… most U.K. local councils appear to use the suffix County Council after the particular name ………… so you have LLC for London County Council, and (confusingly) Leicester would run out as Leicester County Council - LCC.
At least on Leicester's listing on the web they appear to be known as Leicester County Council. Unfortunately, I can't offer any suggestion as to who LC, in Leicester, would be.
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Post by paul1 on Apr 19, 2020 7:56:29 GMT
here are a few more for the list - first up Ed. VII and G. V, though don't think I can decipher any of them - hope someone can.
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Post by paul1 on Apr 19, 2020 7:59:33 GMT
and a couple from Ed. VIII, neither of which are obvious, unfortunately ……………..
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Post by paul1 on Apr 19, 2020 8:06:39 GMT
this trio complete my perfins for the time being - three low value Machin's - the two on a piece I think are Inner London Education Authority, and it's possible the other is Department of Trade, but wouldn't put my shirt on that. Hope of some use, though expect examples such as these are not uncommon.
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Apr 19, 2020 12:57:06 GMT
I've only just found this thread - it's fascinating, though I think the guys who put my collections together must have binned most of their perfins - I can't find more than about thirty all told Anyway here's my first contribution - three reds and couple of other low values, all perforate and all from Victoria - I'll try and get the later reigns done when other stamping allows. Hope I have the plate Nos. correct - not always easy to peer through the dirt and cancellation marks. The obliterator is again in bar form and the No. is 383 - isn't in a diamond, so assume this cancellation post dates the other two reds, and appears the book gives this No. as Hull (Yorks.) the other two are as you see them - later in date, probably from the mid 1880s …….. perfin for the halfpenny reads WOH & Co. and for the tuppence halfpenny it reads HUTH Would be good if we can id these perfins as to which Companies they represented I can’t help you much Paul, but if I may add a few comments. onereason you find so few perfins would be the fact that for many collectors the perfin represented a damaged stamp only kept in the collection until a better example arrived . They were often binned.......how little they knew that there would be some of us out there who considered them collectible in their own right second comment the killer part of the duplex cancel , with a circle would be inner London , the diamond for outer district, and the ovals without circle or diamond all the other towns and villages of England and Wales. Scottish numbers had straight parallel bars forming a rectangle and Irish numbers had the bars forming a diamond shape . Generally you can’t tell the year of use as they all start at 1844 unless a handstamp was damaged , wore out or lost and a replacement was issued . thirdly. HUTH refers to Frederick HUTH who were London bankers and major shippers from about 1800 to 1936/ trading with Scandinavia for timber, Bordeaux and Spain for wines and Northern Europe generally and by the end of the 1800s into South America
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Post by paul1 on Apr 19, 2020 13:56:50 GMT
thanks Vikingeck - am sure you're correct about the previous generation of collectors binning such things - when I collected as a teenager, which is longer ago than I wish to comment on - I never once recall hearing that anyone collected these stamps, neither do I remember hearing the word perfins. However, perhaps memory not what it used to be …………. I see the word is mentioned in the SG 'Philatelic Terms Illustrated', with credit for the initial compilation going to Bennett & Watson - c. 1970 - 72, and in book form the cover shows James Mackay, and the first edition is dated 1973. Have to be honest though, I don't know if the entry for perfins occurred in the first edition - my copy is a fourth and is dated 2003. Unfortunately, I must have dropped one stamp on the floor somewhere in the house - will have to now search for it - the perfin was a mega sized upper case D, which consumed most of the space on the stamp. In cold weather, when I'm wearing a woolen top with sleeves, have to be careful as the wool seems to attract these little squares, and next thing you know they've disappeared!!! I work in an igloo
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Post by paul1 on Apr 19, 2020 16:38:34 GMT
I hadn't lost the stamp - just not posted all my pix. So, the attached IS the last of my perfins for the time being - all G. VI. The LCC is probably London County Council, and the ECC is almost certainly another County Council, but which we can only guess at, and guessing is the slippery slope toward errors - however, perhaps someone might know. The 8d. (love the magenta colour) was what I thought was the lost stamp - it's rubbish condition, but shows (poorly) the oversize D - anyone know what this stands for?
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Post by guyana1230 on Apr 19, 2020 19:56:09 GMT
I believe the ECC is "Essex County Council" if the letters were larger it could be Enfield Cycle Co
I have 2 of the large D perfins but have no idea what it is
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Post by guyana1230 on Apr 19, 2020 20:28:58 GMT
SLO perfin, thought the cancel would help with identification but one is "Windermere" the other is "Romford Essex"
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Post by thegubman on Apr 27, 2020 18:43:42 GMT
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Post by thegubman on Apr 27, 2020 18:50:12 GMT
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Post by guyana1230 on Apr 30, 2020 19:47:57 GMT
Hampshire County Council
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Post by thegubman on May 1, 2020 9:08:47 GMT
Another trance of QV jubilee's with perfins, variable condition. Graham
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Post by guyana1230 on May 1, 2020 15:21:03 GMT
thegubman 6th one on bottom row "CZAR" is C. Czarnikow Ltd, Colonial Brokers, London, in use 1890-1922
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Post by thegubman on May 11, 2020 8:29:39 GMT
GB KGV 2/6 seahorse 1920's used perfin pink postmark, M C & Co. Graham
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Post by guyana1230 on May 11, 2020 11:51:21 GMT
In use: 1924-1939. GB KGV 2/6 seahorse 1920's used perfin pink postmark, M C & Co. Graham thegubmanDates: 17 Apr 1924 - 25 Jan 1937. Issues: I(RC/BC) ½d-6d, 9d (gn), 1/- J 2/6d (Types ‘A’ & ‘B’) J 5/- (Type ‘B’) M ½d, 3d Q 5d Note: “M” more central over “CCo”. Large format stamps show evidence for a multiheaded die, quite possibly 2x1. Ident: The Morgan Crucible Co Ltd, Battersea, London SW11. Pmks: South Eastern Parcel Office, SE1
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Post by thegubman on May 12, 2020 15:34:34 GMT
GB QEII 2/6 & 10/- Castles 1950's with SOSO HMHM perfins. Graham
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Post by guyana1230 on May 13, 2020 18:47:27 GMT
HM/SO
Ident: H M Stationery Office, H/O London.
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