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Post by Beryllium Guy on Dec 25, 2016 20:19:09 GMT
I have been perusing the posts on the stamps of France, but had not noticed much about the older issues. So, I have decided to start a new thread about the classic stamps of France. I am lucky enough to have a better representation of these in my collection, as I was the recipient of a major bounty from a collector-friend of mine who bought a large French collection a few years ago and gave me first choice of the duplicates, which were many!
So, here is the first page in my old brown cover Scott International album, 19th Century volume:
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Dec 25, 2016 20:27:21 GMT
Here is page 2, showing the stamps from 1863-1875. I try to get four-margin, sound copies of these early stamps, but it isn't always easy. A couple of these need to be replaced, but at least they look presentable in the album!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Dec 25, 2016 20:32:19 GMT
Here is page 3 from my album, featuring stamps from 1876-1900. There are a couple of space-fillers on this page, too.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Dec 25, 2016 20:37:18 GMT
Here is page 4 in volume 1, which has the last stamps of 1900. I just need a couple more to complete this set of regular issues.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Dec 21, 2017 20:53:18 GMT
Thanks to bobby1948 and his two generous giveaways, I was able to add some stamps to the classic France part of my collection. To do a nice job of mounting, I removed the pages from my Scott International "Big Blue" Part I, and that made it easy to make some scans of the pages while I was at it. For those who are familiar with these Scott pages, you will note that I have taken some liberties with the use of the spaces, but I am able to do that since my primary pre-1930 WW collection is housed in the brown cover Scott albums.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Dec 21, 2017 21:00:57 GMT
Here are the last two pages of the regular France postage stamps through 1940 from the Scott International "Big Blue" Part I.
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Post by jimwentzell on Nov 16, 2018 19:53:59 GMT
This was in a rather large lot from Kelleher I was successful bidder on. Lots of material from France I needed. I'm not too fond of the pen cancel, nor the worn perfs some of which seem to be trimmed--but I needed the stamp anyway. It's the 2 franc 1884 issue, brown (not the pricier black issue of the same year). Scott number J26 which catalogues $90 (2017). Another one, the ten centimes imperforate of 1859 (Scott J3) was also in the accumulation (the more expensive one is lithographed, same design, Scott J1. I didn't scan it at a high enough resolution to highlight the differences, thus the smaller picture:
Jim Wentzell stampguyaps177-681
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Post by zipper on Feb 27, 2019 23:29:48 GMT
France #2 with grid cancel
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Post by zipper on Mar 15, 2019 23:38:36 GMT
France #3
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Post by zipper on Mar 15, 2019 23:44:10 GMT
Just another page of Ceres and Napoleons.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 8, 2019 21:14:25 GMT
France: Peace & Commerce Issue, 1876-1900At the "Fête du Timbre" (National Stamp Celebration) a few weeks ago here in France, Xavier ( hrdoktorx ) was the one who told me to look in the France classics book of the dealer at whose table we were buying some inexpensive bargain material. So, knowing that I had posted the images of my France early classics on TSF, I could use my smart phone to check the condition of the stamps in my album. The dealer had a nice selection of these definitive stamps, know as "Type Sage" in French, as the collectors here name the issue for its designer, Jules Auguste Sage. His name appears on the stamp in the lower left below the word REPUBLIQUE as J A SAGE INV. The difference between Type I and Type II stamps has to do with whether the N of the INV inscription appears underneath the B (Type I) or the U (Type II) in REPUBLIQUE. I did not have a large budget to spend at the Fête, but I was very pleased to put together this grouping of stamps with generally decent centering and non-obtrusive cancellations. All stamps are used with one exception. I apologize that the order of the stamps is not correct. They were supposed to be in order according to the Yvert & Tellier Catalogue, but when I checked them more closely, I realized that a couple of the stamps had ended up in the wrong places in the dealer's stock book, so I reverted to my Scott Catalogue, and got the IDs correct, even though the order/chronology no longer matched either listing (YT or Sc). The surprises were the 30-centime dark brown Sc 73 (Type I) was originally thought to be a color variety of Sc 82 (Type II), the 10-centime black-on-gray Sc 106 (Type I) is unused-hinged with full gum rather than used, and I ended up with 2 copies of Sc 104, when the second one pictured was supposed to have been an Sc 105. On the whole, I am very pleased to be adding these to my collection, with many upgrades over what I had mounted on the album pages earlier in this thread. Also, sorry for any repeats of stamps that Nelson has shown here in higher resolution scans, but I just thought that these looked nice as a small group. Sc 81, 81a, 82, 73, 86, 97, 90 Sc 91, 92, 92b, 94, 95a, 98 Sc 100, 100, 103, 101, 104, 106, 104
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Post by renden on Apr 9, 2019 0:13:39 GMT
Beryllium Guy Chris - very nice assortment of Émission SAGE .....presently working on Sc #s 2019 vs Maury 2017..(of SAGE)...so many differences in "colors" and varieties, types (I,II. A,B,C) etc. (not all mentioned in Scott) - 2/3 done, inventoried (2 catalogs) and in custom pages - Thanks for sharing yours !! René
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Post by Jerry B on Apr 9, 2019 11:59:06 GMT
Hi
Nice showing of the early stamps. I used to collect France and related colonies. I sold my France to buy a Colombia collection.
Jerry B
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Post by blaamand on Apr 18, 2019 17:12:53 GMT
Very nice indeed Beryllium Guy! Congratulations. I particularily like the 2nd 15c blue in the middle row. It seems to be to be on deep blued paper. If memory serves me right Maury is listing 2 different shades of the blued paper, with a good premium on the deep blue shade like in your example.
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Post by renden on Apr 18, 2019 17:47:46 GMT
Very nice indeed Beryllium Guy ! Congratulations. I particularily like the 2nd 15c blue in the middle row. It seems to be to be on deep blued paper. If memory serves me right Maury is listing 2 different shades of the blued paper, with a good premium on the deep blue shade like in your example. Indeed, Jon blaamand . Maury 2017 lists a 15c bleu (blue) type IIB and a type IIC (#90IIB and #90IIC) The 2nd (a "b" variety) is named bleu foncé (dark blue) on azuré (intense blue) - I have a copy, received from you (thanks again) and already inventoried/mounted in my custom FRANCE album with other Émission SAGE 1877-1880. This one is listed as a 19-06-1881 by Maury. René 2 Scans #1 SAGE 15c M90 IIC #2 SAGE 15c M90bIIC (darker blue as described above)
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Post by renden on May 2, 2019 23:43:22 GMT
Just a post to inform members that I do have, today, the full series of the FRANCE "Semeuse" lignée 1903- and many dups to check with my friend Chris, Beryllium Guy ....when he is back from his NYC trip !!! (discussed elsewhere). As soon as my 2 custom pages are done with the series, I will scan and post them in this thread. As mentioned earlier, my friend Jon from Norway (blaamand) was my BIG help for the project, which is ongoing.......Thanks again Jon René c.c. blaamand a preview....already somewhere of a Semeuse lignée (Sower) from FRANCE - Scott 138 MNH (from blaamand)
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Post by blaamand on May 6, 2019 13:17:02 GMT
Congratulations on completing the "Semeuse Ligne" Rene renden - Your pages deserves to be shared in this thread!
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Post by renden on May 6, 2019 13:29:25 GMT
As requested by Jon ( blaamand ) I am sharing my Semeuse Ligné series in this FRANCE classics thread - my custom pages, cropped a little to save space and memory Numbers reflect Scott Classic 2019 and Maury 2017 #s and some colours might appear in both languages due to the catalog's differences. René
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Post by renden on Jul 3, 2019 20:57:14 GMT
My last page of Semeuse lignée (Sower) just changed today with more varieties of the 50c and this is due to the beauties received from Jon blaamand , but discovered only today....some arrangements in the Types - will post them tomorrow when everybody is awake I have also completed my Sower (no ground under feet) or (Semeuse Camée - Maury cat) with 2 missing stamps....181 and 183........ordered today on Eb as Mint NH F-VF......I will see when they come in and complete this series. René............who is ready to move on past Sc 183
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Post by renden on Jul 3, 2019 23:25:54 GMT
My last page of Semeuse lignée (Sower) just changed today with more varieties of the 50c and this is due to the beauties received from Jon blaamand , but discovered only today....some arrangements in the Types - will post them tomorrow NOW when everybody is awake Page 2 of the Semeuse Lignée/Sower with Sc #s and Maury #s René btw, I am still learning the guillotine on those mounts
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 4, 2019 0:11:41 GMT
Does anyone know of a source for a useable image of the Sage Type and Type II differences for my pages? Everything I am trying isolate is not at all clear, and while I know what the difference is, I'm unsure someone else who did not would be able to tell? Preferably B/W in the meantime I will try getting a sharp image from a stamp and sending to photoshop or illustrator to convert to B/W (or at least gray scale) so with Photoshop I pulled this and this from actual stamps (25 c noir sur laque rouge Type II) notice how the "N" in INV on the image below appears to be "I-K-V" ? Time for more French lessons to see if I find mention of this
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Post by blaamand on Jul 4, 2019 0:13:23 GMT
Very nice work Rene!! That's a lot of work to sort of all the types and shades. And yes, your guilliotine skills have definetlively improved LOL
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Post by renden on Jul 4, 2019 0:21:43 GMT
Does anyone know of a source for a useable image of the Sage Type and Type II differences for my pages? Everything I am trying isolate is not at all clear, and while I know what the difference is, I'm unsure someone else who did not would be able to tell? Preferably B/W in the meantime I will try getting a sharp image from a stamp and sending to photoshop or illustrator to convert to B/W (or at least gray scale) Stan stainlessbI can send you (by e-mail) my pages (the ones I have done, custom, with stamps I have) on Sage 1877-1880 and Sage 1879-1890 as well as 1898-1900 with both Scott #s and Maury #s. You will quickly note that Maury (and Yvert Tellier) have more varieties and explanations on types, sub-types etc...I do not use Y&T....chose Maury. I am trying to figure out what Types you wish to compare and maybe sending pages of my Sage stamps won't help much - I know I can help, right out of Maury catalog...... René btw nothing beats a "french" catalog
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 4, 2019 1:28:56 GMT
I wish I knew how to completely answer your question
I have both Yvert and Maury, and Maury & Spinks, SG and Scott (SG and Scott asre just ..."OK")- all add something, but I'm finding variations which I'm guessing may be nothing morre than an artifact of the printing process at the time. I'd like to be a s "complete as possible (at the same time realizing that is likely not possible), but I am trying to learn all the nuances. In the instance of just trying get a useable Type 1 or II for the J A Sage I stumbled upon what looks like I-K-V instead of I-N-V, maybe nothing more than a speck of dust or a blob of excess ink, but I see that my scanning and looking at stamps is likely tobecome much more intense (in hopes that I do not miss something)
OCD I'm not (if you could see my desk, there would be no question!) but i am driven to know as much as I can (keeps those gray cells and synapses engaged)
So if you have time, please send me what you have. you have my e-mail address already saved?
A l'expertise française!!
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Post by renden on Jul 4, 2019 12:21:13 GMT
stainlessbYou seem to have Maury ((Spinks Maury) - mine is 2017 - so you have the info to do the work, Types etc - I will go back at my collection and typing based on Maury, review Maury's criteria and try to be specific - Happy 4th !! René
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 4, 2019 12:21:19 GMT
Very interesting discussion, guys, especially Stan ( stainlessb) and René ( renden). Stan, I think that Xavier ( hrdoktorx) will be a good one to look to for advice on these illustrations. He has a very old France catalogue that may have better black-and-white artwork than the more recent editions. I have tagged him, so hopefully he will respond on this point.
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Post by renden on Jul 4, 2019 12:34:26 GMT
stainlessb You seem to have Maury ((Spinks Maury) - mine is 2017 - so you have the info to do the work, Types etc - I will go back at my collection and typing based on Maury, review Maury's criteria and try to be specific - Happy 4th !! René Thanks Chris ( Beryllium Guy) for the additional help ! It is clear to me, with Maury 2017, for the Sage 1876-78 series, that Type I and Type II are well illustrated in black and white. Type I has the N under the B of REBUBLIQUE while Type II has the N under the U.....will try to scan both later and send to Stan @stainlesssb René
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 4, 2019 14:12:53 GMT
rendenyes you are correct, Spink|Maury (2018) does have a nice clear B/W detail which should scan nicely- I was looking in the recap section earlier (the book just arrived yesterday) i still finding nothing about the -N- looking more like a -K-, so I won't put too much more time into that unless i find more examples like it.
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Post by renden on Jul 4, 2019 14:37:48 GMT
renden yes you are correct, Spink|Maury (2018) does have a nice clear B/W detail which should scan nicely- I was looking in the recap section earlier (the book just arrived yesterday) i still finding nothing about the -N- looking more like a -K-, so I won't put too much more time into that unless i find more examples like it. Stan - why do you want to scan the 2 details of Type 1 and 2 ? You just said you had Maury 2018 ? Where does it mention an N looking like a K ? Have a good day ! René
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 4, 2019 15:04:40 GMT
René I am looking for images that will scan clearly so i can add them to my printed pages for the reference of others (if there ever are others who look!) and no, I cannot find any mention of a printing variation of the N looking like a K, and unless I can find more, I 'll just take it as an odd anomaly and move on. i posted the two scans previously as a better means of describing what it looks like- Stan
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