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Post by hrdoktorx on Jan 16, 2021 10:47:00 GMT
Type Blanc, Yvert 111 Type IA 5 centimes, fairly worn, but the cancellation?!? Anyone know anything about this? I did a little sleuthing and found this article (in French). This is a so-called "New Year's Day" cancellation. According to the text of the article, such cancellations were used on "non-urgent" mail such as greeting cards around the turn of a calendar year, often handled by additional less well trained staff hired for the season. They do not mean that the stamp was cancelled exactly on New Year's Day, though. And it does not seem that the number itself had any particular meaning. Staff was told to use "whatever stamp cancel is available".
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jan 16, 2021 10:56:40 GMT
Great find on that article, Xavier ( hrdoktorx)! Thanks for an excellent, informative post! There's my new thing learned for today: New Year's Day cancellation (Oblitérations "Jour de l'an"). I have taken a copy of that article for my own reference library, as I had never heard of this sort of cancellation before. Thanks to you and Stan ( stainlessb), I will now be on the lookout for these as I go through my mixed lots of old France.
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 16, 2021 21:44:16 GMT
I found another Yvert 111 IA green not sure if it is 86 or 98
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Post by renden on Jan 16, 2021 22:38:45 GMT
Stan stainlessb.....a Maury 111 5¢ vert-jaune (yellowish green), by color. Now, when you do not have the stamp to examine, it is always harder so I know you will flyspeck that beauty !! Congrats ! René
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 16, 2021 22:57:44 GMT
The first one posted is (I believe) yellow-green, and here is another example. The green blue is relatively easy but there are stamps that are more blue and other which have more green. The Emerauld is easier to ID with less worn stamps. Like the Green Sages, the greens present a chanllenge also, now thet I look at it more, the one above is a IA (drape of goddesses gown below the E in FRANCAISE has a single fold within , the Type II has multiple line (folds)
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Post by anglobob on Jan 18, 2021 11:15:51 GMT
New Year's Day cancels. A contact in France sent me this, taken from the 2021 Yvert catalogue. He informed me this is a new section, not previously covered.
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 19, 2021 14:47:35 GMT
anglobob do you know if the Yvert catalogue you referenced is YVERT&TELLIER 2021 STAMPS CATALOG FRANCE TOME 1 ANNIVERSARY VINTAGE 125 YEARS?
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 22, 2021 1:17:58 GMT
A lot of 1934 J Cartier Yvert # 297 I received today from a seller in Belgium- A quick scan leads me to believe I have several examples of Type II among the more common Type I - I just got home from work and will wait for freshewr eyes tomorrow!
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Post by renden on Jan 22, 2021 13:36:26 GMT
Stan stainlessb ....haven't seen so many copies at a time - Thanks BTW my only copy is a Used Maury 297, Type 1 with normal O René
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 22, 2021 14:48:16 GMT
Yes, this is much less common than the 75c - which has only a single type, so having many of those is just clutter!
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Post by renden on Jan 22, 2021 17:20:13 GMT
Yes, this is much less common than the 75c - which has only a single type, so having many of those is just clutter! Since my 297 is a TI, a type II would de-clutter........LOL René
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 22, 2021 18:06:00 GMT
Out of 24 stamps, only two (2) were Type II René ( renden ) I will set one aside for you! The identifiers are the "O" in "POSTES" is complete in the Type I , but has a notch at ~ 9:30 and The lower mainsail "side" in the Type I is a nice almost symmetrical/conture, whereas the Type II losses the symmetry on the upper portion Type I Type II
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Post by renden on Jan 22, 2021 18:12:58 GMT
Out of 24 stamps, only two (2) were Type II René ( renden ) I will set one aside for you! The identifiers are the "O" in "POSTES" is complete in the Type I , but has a notch at ~ 9:30 and The lower mainsail "side" in the Type I is a nice almost symmetrical/conture, whereas the Type losses the symmetry on the upper portion Thanks a bunch, Stan - Your scans are better than the ones in Maury but I read the differences (in french evidently) - have a great weekend ! René
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 22, 2021 18:47:47 GMT
Yes, it actually took finding the two using hi-res scans of just that area, to completely comprehend the description and tiny images in Spink|Maury
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 27, 2021 21:38:29 GMT
1934 issues, including Airmail (and the information page about the Cartier Type I and II) The Doves stamp is heavily cancelled and hard to see the actual design.
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 28, 2021 0:42:27 GMT
1926-1927 Orphelins de la guerre (Orphans of War) 3rd series
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 29, 2021 22:25:52 GMT
1926 - 1927 surcharges Yvert 217 - 228
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 2, 2021 0:51:40 GMT
France Airmail A-8 - A 13 1936- There is one more in the series that I do noy have (A 14 50F na d I do have A 16) This is enough to make a page , only one hole (and it may sit empty for a bit as it's a high CV stamp!
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Post by Philatarium on Feb 2, 2021 1:43:48 GMT
I am such a fan of this airmail series.
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 8, 2021 22:43:35 GMT
1936 Airmail issues A8 - A15 (missing A14....high CV!) may have to settle for used example
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 20, 2021 0:33:03 GMT
right at the end of the classics period. Ceres reissue based on the original Jacque-Jean Barre design. Yvert 372 - 376b I'm not real settled on the 1Franc 75 shades....I don't think I have the "metallic" shade... but it's difficult to interpret the color meaning SG doesn't have any metallic blues....
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Post by hrdoktorx on Mar 5, 2021 23:00:02 GMT
Also received this week, this copy of the gray 4c Emperor Napoléon III issue, YT#27. I had hoped from its description it would be Type I, but this is clearly the Type II, with the less dark shadings along the neck and below the chin. I already have two other copies of Type II, one in the same shade of gray, and the other more yellowish.
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 5, 2021 23:51:20 GMT
This is the only example I have, and while it has a very nice SON obliteration I am unsure which type it is
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Post by hrdoktorx on Mar 6, 2021 9:51:11 GMT
This is a nice copy, stainlessb! And the SON cancellation does make the ID difficult, but it is Type I. You can still tell by the thick line at the back of the base of the neck, which I have circled in red:
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Post by hrdoktorx on Mar 11, 2021 20:30:23 GMT
Following caramba 's introduction, I wanted to show his avatar stamps, the Samothrace Victory sculpture pair, in their natural state. These stamps are quite rare as they were meant to be sold as a fundraising scheme for the Musée du Louvre in Paris, and only available on pre-stamped postcards sold at the museum's gift shop. This is what these cards look like: The picture side of the cards featured artwork from the Museum collection. Mine are:
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Post by anglobob on Mar 11, 2021 21:36:26 GMT
Another cancellation from Musee du Louvre,dated 24 October,1937.
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Post by pattib on Mar 13, 2021 13:48:40 GMT
Here are two more stamps I am wondering about. They are SC#326 and #326a. One is supposed to be dark violet and the other violet. I am not sure if you will be able to tell, but do I have one of each or are they the same stamp?
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 13, 2021 15:30:07 GMT
From Maury Ceres & Dallay (translated from French) Yvert # 338 Lilac 338a Purple (Violet) instead of lilac 338b Purple (Violet) - Gray (printed 1/14/1938) The purple-gray variety (due to the absence of one of the pigments used in the usual ink composition) only affects part of the January 14 print. Certain purple stamps have a color very close to this violet-gray which can only be seen in UV rays. It is rare and difficult to detect (indispensible expertise) here ---------- Looking at your scan- It is hard to tell whether you have the actual nuances or just a stamp with heavier inking. The two non-UV varieties have a close CV. The UV detectable variety is considerably higher in CV here's an offering on e-Bay of all three shades (according to the seller who has a very high number of positive feedback and is someone i have purchased from) but the scan is difficult to tell here there are three lots currently available, but I cannot see a noticeable difference between them
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Post by anglobob on Mar 13, 2021 15:44:20 GMT
To my old eyes,these appear to be different stamps.The one on the right seems darker,especially in the hair. Maury lists two varieties 338a violet au lieu de lilas and 338b violet-gris from 14 January 1938
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 13, 2021 17:07:00 GMT
Here are the only examples I have of this. I do not have a UV to inspect (and I honestly don't know what I would be looking for) so - here's against a black background The one on the right appears darker, and more "purple" than the somewhat "more lilac" on the left, however the stamp on the right appears to have a heavier "inking" of the designer/engraver's name at bottom (BARLANGUE). The fields around the denominations appears pretty close, but either dirt/dust on the plate of the left one, ore a printing flaw ( especially the lower arm of the F on the right Here's the same stamps on an ivory background- the left stamp appear more "lilac" (even the paper seems to have a lilac cast to it), and the right stamp looks definitely darker If you think the difference in shade is enough, then so be it. It is very subjective. Unless you are planning on selling, you only need to convince yourself !
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