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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 20:06:14 GMT
[ADMIN Note: This member intentionally deleted all of his images on the TSF Image Host before deleting his Forum account.]
[UPDATE 8Jul20: The former member posted the images on a different forum using a different userID. Those images have been re-inserted into the corresponding posts.]
Michel 1872 series 1- 26
These were photographed some 15 years ago. A photograph with a special lighting technique brings out embossing shadow details not possible with a scan
Mi. 1 & 2a
  Mi 6 & 7  Mi 8 & 11   Mi 12 & 13   Mi 14 & 15
  Mi 16 & 17a   Mi 20 & 21a   Mi 22 & 24  Mi 26 The small vs the large shield is difficult to distinguish.
Look at the wings - on the small shield they all point downwards.
On the large shield, half point upwards.
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zipper
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Post by zipper on Jun 2, 2018 21:17:04 GMT
Awesome! Love them!
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Poodle_Mum
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Post by Poodle_Mum on Jun 5, 2018 17:50:53 GMT
Wow! Breathtaking. They almost look like they are embroidered.
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tobben63
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Post by tobben63 on Dec 30, 2018 10:07:42 GMT
Those are great photos @nl1947
I myself are struggling a bit to see the difference of some I have.
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 6, 2019 16:15:09 GMT
Those are great photos @nl1947 I myself are struggling a bit to see the difference of some I have. Yes, Tobben, I have been having the same problem. Some of mine have heavy cancellations, which also makes the task more difficult. Luckily, Xavier ( hrdoktorx ) had some of each type clearly identified and easy enough to see, that he was able to show me, and we were able to correctly identify mine, I think. But many thanks to Nelson (@falshung ) for starting this thread and for those superb photos which show off the embossed details beautifully.... wow! |
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hrdoktorx
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Post by hrdoktorx on Feb 12, 2019 21:33:45 GMT
To help further Beryllium Guy and others, in addition to the wonderful scans above, I can show the pictures of the embossings from my AFA catalog: The "small shield":  The "large shield":  |
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tobben63
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Post by tobben63 on Feb 13, 2019 7:09:14 GMT
Those are great illustrations, but the problem is that my stamps has to much ink that It is hard to tell what is what. But I will do a new try with my new scanner.
Unfortunately I sold my phhoto gear (including a macro lens) some years ago.
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 13, 2019 8:10:13 GMT
Tobben ( tobben63), I was having the same problem due to ink from the cancellations obscuring the vignette. So, I did two things: taking a cue from Nelson (@falshung) that lighting at the proper angle can help, and then flipping the stamp over and working from the reverse side (Xavier hrdoktorx also mentioned this), I was finally able to correctly identify my stamps, almost all of which were the large shield type. Hope this may help a little. In the end, once you know what to look for, thanks to Nelson's superb photos and Xavier's catalogue illustration, it is really pretty straightforward. Good luck! |
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hrdoktorx
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Post by hrdoktorx on Sept 12, 2019 20:38:41 GMT
Received yesterday, two of the large shield issues (MiNr. 20 and 25), 2 gr. blue and 3 kr. carmine:  |
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Post by rjan55 on Sept 13, 2019 0:45:54 GMT
Nice Frankfurt cancellation.
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Post by mikeclevenger on Sept 15, 2019 14:11:27 GMT
Michel 1872 series 1- 26
These were photographed some 15 years ago. A photograph with a special lighting technique brings out embossing shadow details not possible with a scan The pictures are no longer here. Mike |
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hrdoktorx
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Post by hrdoktorx on Sept 15, 2019 14:28:29 GMT
Indeed, the pictures are missing. The owner of these left TSF and took all his pictures with him. Most regrettable.
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Post by ausbrasilien on Nov 6, 2019 11:51:01 GMT
Besides the shield, other ways of differencing both issues are the curve of the wings of the eagle and the crown above the eagle. One is the Prussian crown and the other is the German imperial crown. I hope this helps...
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hrdoktorx
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jan 8, 2020 20:23:01 GMT
Won last month at auction, MiNr. 7, small breastplate, 1kr. light green, and just arrived:  |
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Post by mikeclevenger on Jan 10, 2020 14:52:18 GMT
Here is the easiest way I have found to determine large shields from small shields. This can be done from the back sometimes, if the stamp has no hinge.
Look at the upper & lower sections of the inner circle.
On the Small Shields, in the upper sections of the inner circle (white area), there are no wing tips, and it is just open space. The highest wing tips are even with the lowest letters on the sides. In the lower sections of the inner circle, there are spaces along the lower edges.
On the Large Shields, in the upper sections of the inner circle, there are wing tips, and there is hardly any space along edges. You can see wing tips above the lowest letters on the sides, and almost all the way to the top. In the lower sections of the inner circle, it almost looks like the wings make a full circle. There is hardly any open space, in the white area, without wing tips or claws. The Large Shields almost look like a round circle inside the white area, with very little spaces along the edges. It is a harder to determine the difference with a heavy cancel, or if the shield imprint is off center.
I hope this helps.
Have a great day.
Mike.
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hrdoktorx
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Post by hrdoktorx on Mar 27, 2020 22:50:06 GMT
Today I received this month's auction wins, including this MiNr.15 issue, the 2 Kreuzer orange with small breastplate:  |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jul 6, 2020 20:01:38 GMT
Also received today, winnings from last month's auction, including this German 1872 issue, 1/2-groschen orange (YT #3a, AFA #14), small breastshield embossed eagle:  |
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Post by blaamand on Jul 7, 2020 8:27:06 GMT
hrdoktorx - Very nice stamps, congratulations! mikeclevenger - I missed your fine post regarding how to identify the small and large eagles until now. That's quite helpful and saved for future reference - thanks for sharing 
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Post by salentin on Jul 7, 2020 17:29:02 GMT
Congratulations,Xavier ! The 2 Kreuzer is a beauty. Nicely centered,what is unusal on this issue and a good Constanz (Konstanz) cancel. Mine is a rather poor specimen,with a missing corner, Nevertheless it can show nicely the difference of colours between Michel-no. 8 from January 1872 and Michel-no.15 from April 1872.
Seen from the back the large shield (9 on 9 Kreuzer,Michel-no.30) on the left and the small shield (Michel-no.15) on the right.
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Post by classicalstamps on Jul 7, 2020 20:57:21 GMT
For those designing their own album pages and want some eye candy, Michel has some nice illustrations: Small Shield: Large Shield: |
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Post by mikeclevenger on Jul 9, 2020 9:08:48 GMT
For those designing their own album pages and want some eye candy, Michel has some nice illustrations: Small Shield:Large Shield:Thanks for the images. These will look nice on albums pages.
Have a great day.
Mike
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Post by mikeclevenger on Jul 9, 2020 9:13:33 GMT
hrdoktorx - Very nice stamps, congratulations! mikeclevenger - I missed your fine post regarding how to identify the small and large eagles until now. That's quite helpful and saved for future reference - thanks for sharing When you look at as many of these as I have int eh last year, you get pretty good at it and try to figure out the fastest way possible to determine what you have. LOL. They are extremely hard if they have heavy postmarks and a hinge still on the back. Even after soaking, sometimes you almost can't see the impression on the back of some of them. But you can almost always see those areas I have the arrows pointing to, so that is what I came up with. I just hope this helps others in their quest.
Have a great day.
Mike
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Post by hrdoktorx on Aug 24, 2020 21:11:03 GMT
Another auction win, the AFA #23 large breastplate embossed eagle German issue, 1 Kreuzer yellow-green.  |
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Post by mikeclevenger on Aug 25, 2020 8:37:42 GMT
Another auction win, the AFA #23 large breastplate embossed eagle German issue, 1 Kreuzer yellow-green. It is a good looking stamp. It is amazing how this stamp is about 150 years old and still looks that good. If I can only look this good at 150!
Have a great day.
Mike.
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Post by mikeclevenger on Aug 26, 2020 9:14:26 GMT
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jan 6, 2021 21:09:33 GMT
Received today, an auction win from last month, the "large shield" 1/4-groschen light purple, AFA #16:  |
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Post by mikeclevenger on Jan 8, 2021 12:03:59 GMT
Nice stamp with a nice cancellation, upside down, but still nice. At least you can read the city and the year clearly.
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Post by hrdoktorx on Mar 26, 2021 20:42:20 GMT
Also among the auction wins this month, this copy of the 2 Kreuzer vermillion with small breastplate (YT #8a, MiNr. 8):  |
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Post by hrdoktorx on May 27, 2021 19:43:11 GMT
A new arrival today, the 5 Groschen grey-bistre, with large breastplate, MiNr. 22:  |
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jun 12, 2021 14:08:32 GMT
Since we were talking about auction strategies earlier, I just received the big win from last month, for which I pooled my budget after losing out on many over bids, the 2 kreuzer orange large breastplate embossed eagle 1872 German Empire issue:  |
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