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Post by blaamand on Jun 24, 2018 4:38:53 GMT
Anybody collecting forerunners for the Faroe Islands? Denmark has had dominance on the Faroe Island since the Islands were un-rightfully given to Denmark by the Treaty at Kiel in 1814, following the end of the Napoleon Wars. The Great powers 'gave' Norway to Sweden - and ceeded Greenland, Iceland and the Faroes to Denmark, despite the fact that it was Norway that had historically controlled these islands for centuries. Anyway, the Faroes used stamps of Denmark until issuing her own stamps. Her first stamps were indeed Danish stamps that were surcharged on the Faroes, due to lack of supply from the mint in Copenhagen and shortage of stamps at certain values. (These provisionals were only made on the Faroes, and is therefore considered stamps of the Faroes). Only decades later did they issue stamps with their own design. It is this period of 'no stamps' that interests me, so I collect the forerunners. I came across a few on eBay today that I could not resist. The condition of the stamps are not too good, it is the postal history part that is valuable for me in this case, and not the stamps as such. Here you go Anybody else into this kind of stuff - please share! Jon
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Post by classicalstamps on Jun 24, 2018 7:04:09 GMT
An interesting area to collect. In Denmark these are largely ignored, so you can definitely find some if you do some digging :-)
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Post by blaamand on Jun 24, 2018 13:52:43 GMT
Thanks Morten, I was not aware these are ignored in Denmark. I am a bit puzzled about it, as it seems Danish postmarks itself is a rather popular collecting area. Well, good for those few that are interested, then The stamps I shared above had already been identified by the seller. For my own I have only detected 4 such Faroe postmarks myself, among thousands and thousands of the Danish stamps I've looked through, so they are not very common - but the hunt goes on
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Post by butterfly on Jun 24, 2018 15:39:09 GMT
I tried a candidate, but ended up in Denmark (Hou, Hals). Need to look some probably a lot more!!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 24, 2018 16:37:49 GMT
OK, perhaps a silly question, but how does one identify postmarks from the Faroe Islands?
Is there anything similar about the style, or does one simply need to know the names of the places?
I have plenty of older, used stamps of Denmark, but no idea if any have been used in the Faroes.
As my stamps of Denmark are not with me at the moment, the soonest I can check will be at Christmas time.
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Post by blaamand on Jun 25, 2018 1:21:13 GMT
Beryllium Guy - No, not a silly question at all. I've been wondering about it myself, and I am not very familiar with Danish postmarks in general my self. The Faeroe Islands are very sparsely populated, so we're looking at place names most have never heard about, except Thorshavn. The fact it is small villages also means they were utilizing the small and simplistic style postmarks as on the images above. The low-volume post offices often used postmarks without any date in-cooperated in it, whilst more urban places elsewhere in Denmark used postmarks that had date in them. This is simply because the large PO's were equipped with different cancelling machines ( Check this link WEBSITE - DANISH CANCEL TYPES ) , whilst the smaller still used manual 'hammers'. This is not a conclusive method in any way, as similar no-date postmarks were also used in smaller places in Denmark itself. And at some point also the more low-volume post offices started to use date in the postmarks. Regardless, these simplistic postmark style is the first to look for. The next tip is the 'sound' of the place name itself. Because The Faeroe islands historically had closer ties with Norway than Denmark, the language is also more closely connected to old-Norwegian language than Danish - and so are the sound of the place names. Well, that's a good indication for me as a Norwegian, but probably more challenging for most of you. Anyway, place names ending with "-fjord", "-vik" and in particular "-ur" are likely candidates for Faeroe place names. Actually the place names used on the postmarks were made using the Danish version of the Faeroese name, e,g the postmark 'Fuglafjord' would be 'Fuglafjørdur' in local language, and place names that in real life ends with '-vik' was changed to sound more Danish, ending with '-vig' . The Danish version of the place names were probably used because the Postal Authorities of Denmark were in control until 1976. I believe the postmarks from then on were changed to local dialect, but it makes no difference when looking for forerunners, because by that time they did not use Danish stamps any more anyway. Finally one simply have to check up a list of place names, and that is actually not difficult There are not too many populated places and Post Offices on Faeroes anyway. Today it is 34 PO's, but probably it was a few more in earlier days. I found this website with a LIST OF FAROE POST OFFICES It is not a complete list, at least it is a starting point. Unfortunately the list is using Faeroe spelling of the names - and not Danish... I will make a list with both Danish and Faeroe spelling, if anyone is interested. Hope this helps! Jon
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Post by blaamand on Jun 25, 2018 1:54:02 GMT
butterfly - Really nice to see you're trying! I'll post a list here in a short while updated with Danish spelling on the different place names on the Faroes, hopefully that will make it a little easier. It will be quite a short and neat list
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Post by blaamand on Jun 25, 2018 3:07:42 GMT
So, since I started this thread I feel obliged to add something useful so you can more easily find these forerunners yourself. So, here's a list of the PO's I am aware of at present. Any forerunners on Danish stamps will have the postmarks with Danish spelling, as in the middle column. The list is not complete, just by coincidence 2 of the stamps I purchased yesterday had postmarks (Gjov and Kvalvig) that was not included on the original list (ref. link in earlier thread) - so it's indicating there are probably more names missing. However, it is a starting point, and should cover the largest ones one are most likely to find. Any suggestions are welcomed. Here's a list of places on the Faroes, LIST OF TOWNS AND VILLAGES ON FAROE ISLANDS , however I do not know which of these had PO's running before 1975 (any stamps after that time will not be forerunners). Naturally I can send the list if any would like it in Excel. Jon
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Post by blaamand on Jun 25, 2018 3:12:34 GMT
....and the "Holy grail" to look for when it comes to forerunners for the Faroe Islands ..... Danish stamps with Numeral cancellation '238' in 3-ring cancel. (ps...Not my stamp, image from THE SCANDINAVIAN STAMP SPECIALIST) Good luck scanning your Danish stamps for this postmark - then you've hit jackpot !
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Post by blaamand on Jun 25, 2018 3:21:07 GMT
Ok, last contribution from me...anyone interested in the Postal history of the Faroes, try google translate on this: POSTAL HISTORY ARTICLE
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Post by brightonpete on Jun 25, 2018 13:10:18 GMT
Just reading further into this thread. Here is a quick photo I just took from the Faores catalog I have. It lists all the post offices on the islands, and when they opened.
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Post by blaamand on Jun 25, 2018 16:01:52 GMT
brightonpete - That is marvelous I can now complete my list, your help is very much appreciated, thanks a bunch
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Post by blaamand on Jun 26, 2018 17:05:13 GMT
Following the reference that brightonpete kindly shared, I've updated my excel file. Several new PO's added, some revised. The new list includes 51 Post offices on the Faroes, however according to Posta (Faroe Postal Authorities), only 37 of these are still in operation. For some reason there are two place names from the reference that I am not able to locate by Google, quite odd. These two place names are 'Ruth' and 'Smiril'. So I have no idea where these places are or how many inhabitants they have. I am curious if they might be travelling post offices on a ferry or something. Does anybody have a reference for these PO's? My resaoning for making this list in Excel, is that is very useful if only partial strings of the place names are readable on a postmark. I'll eventually merge it into the database of Danish place names, so that any forerunners are more easily detected when examing Danish stamps and postmarks. Anyone interested, PM me. brightonpete - Thanks again for your help
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Post by brightonpete on Jun 26, 2018 19:54:57 GMT
blaamand Ruth, according to the catalog was a "steamship collecting office"; opened 1908, closed 1909-1916 (!) Torshavn took over after that. Smiril was another one, which opened January 4th, 1896 & closed in 1903. The only cancel used in both places was the "star" cancel.
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Post by blaamand on Jun 26, 2018 21:06:12 GMT
Perfect, that's my suspicion confirmed then, excellent. That makes those postmarks even more interesting; TPO postmarks on Danish stamps used on some small ferries between remote, sparsely populated islands.
I can't understand why I can't find anything about these on Google, but it just goes to show these are probably rather scarce.
The challenge is up for the first to find any in their collections 😁
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Post by tobben63 on Jul 13, 2018 2:06:19 GMT
Very interesing post. I know I have a stock page with Danish stamps on clip with postmarks from Færøyene 😁 Maybe 20 pices. But I think it's mostly from Thorshavn. But I also have some 1000 Danish duplicat's, never checked for postmak names. Will look into it when I come home from holyday. If I have anny duplicates, I will gladly exchange them.
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Post by blaamand on Jul 13, 2018 15:33:20 GMT
Good luck Tobben - Hope you find some goodies ;-)
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Post by dgdecker on Jul 13, 2018 16:52:04 GMT
A great thread. I have envelops of Danish stamps that I have never really looked at. This article has peaked my interest. I wonder what I might find. Thanks for adding all the info about post office names. It will make searching a little bit easier.
David
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Post by renden on Jul 14, 2018 0:48:39 GMT
Have not touched Denmark or the Faroes yet but it is on my WW list - Thanks Blaamand for this thread and info
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Post by blaamand on Jul 14, 2018 6:38:39 GMT
Excellent guys, I'm excited to see many of you interested in Faroe forerunners and appreciate the kind words - I hope you all find some. Please share some images if you do :-) Jon
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Post by renden on Jul 14, 2018 14:55:55 GMT
Excellent guys, I'm excited to see many of you interested in Faroe forerunners and appreciate the kind words - I hope you all find some. Please share some images if you do :-) Jon Jon, I have 2 questions: 1) what is a forerunner ? 2) reading your posts, I deduct that the Faroe Islands Stamps (Scott starts them in 1919) do have their own stamps ....so prior to that date, Denmark stamps were used ? Thanks René
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Post by brightonpete on Jul 14, 2018 15:19:38 GMT
Jon, I have 2 questions: 1) what is a forerunner ? 2) reading your posts, I deduct that the Faroe Islands do not have their own stamps per se ? I'll answer here... way back, before 1975, the Faroe Islands used the stamps of Denmark, who they were part of. So finding Danish stamps used in the Faroes is a good thing. Not much of a population in the Faroes. But from 1975 onwards, they have been issuing their own stamps. Quite a nice lot they are too. Forerunner is a term used for something prior, as in the use of Danish stamps was a forerunner to their own stamps being issued.
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Post by renden on Jul 14, 2018 16:17:48 GMT
Thanks brightonpete for your answers to my Faroe Islands Newbie questions !!
René
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Post by blaamand on Jul 15, 2018 7:48:11 GMT
Perfect brightonpete, thanks.
Interestingly, similar kind of 'forerunners' can be found on stamps from numerous countries, which during course of history split into several smaller countries (example given Austria, Turkey, India) - or forerunners can be found on stamps of colonial powers stamps before issuing separate stamps for each colony. (Germany, Italy, France, UK, Portugal etc).
Then there is 'Siderunners' - stamps of other countries used concurrent with separate issues, and other twists in political history that impacts the postal history. Example given areas in Europe that has used stamps of numerous other countries due to wars and changing borders back and forth. Studying postmarks on Germany, Austria, Russia and Poland and others, one can find stamps off all those nations cancelled in the same town. Or stamps of numerous colonial powers postmarked in places like Constantinople, Beijing, Yokohama, Aden, Alexandria...
The evidence the postmarks play in demonstrating political and postal history is in my opinion the most interesting aspect of philately.
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Post by tobben63 on Jul 16, 2018 16:29:29 GMT
Bought this catalogue at Østerbro Frimærkehandel today. I will be able to give information from it if needed after mid August.
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Post by Catweazle on Feb 8, 2024 11:59:50 GMT
How common are the Danish stamps with Numeral cancellation '238'?
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